Video Review of Transformers Generations Voyager Lugnut!

Looks preety cool. Cant wait to pick it up.

Surprisingly juicy in my eyes. His bald head reminds me of that Eustace guy from Courage the Cowardly Dog. Crappy show. Otherwise, I'm absolutely thinking of getting him. Once again, Peaugh conducts another awesome review. Good job, I say!

Okay, I'm won over. Now that I know his body transforms better than the official pics and he's more solid, I'm impressed.

He makes me think of Blackout with the way the cockpit splits. Not enough weaponry but I may have to buy him.

he looks so awesome, but i can't figure out where to put him? is lugnut part of the movieverse line or the classics/universe/generations line?

chrisc4 wrote:he looks so awesome, but i can't figure out where to put him? is lugnut part of the movieverse line or the classics/universe/generations line?

Movieverse. Both he and Lockdown were released in movieverse packaging. N.E.S.T. for Lockdown, and HFTD/RTS is a continuation of N.E.S.T.

Wouldn't fit Generations, he's a Voyager, and the line is Deluxe only.

I don't even need to watch a video review to know this is a must-buy!

And I also remember reading a quote from someone at Hasbro saying that Generations figures would all be Deluxe, so this must be a Reveal the Shield or whatever.

Autobot032 wrote:

chrisc4 wrote:he looks so awesome, but i can't figure out where to put him? is lugnut part of the movieverse line or the classics/universe/generations line?

Movieverse. Both he and Lockdown were released in movieverse packaging. N.E.S.T. for Lockdown, and HFTD/RTS is a continuation of N.E.S.T.

Wouldn't fit Generations, he's a Voyager, and the line is Deluxe only.

I have to say, I'm a bit confused as I thought you were at one point one of the people who argued against boxes defining how a toy should be treated. (I may be wrong about that and if I am...oops.)

The "Generations" line means nothing and the "Reveal the Shield" line means nothing. We have a mix of toys appearing in both lines. While I can buy the argument that Lockdown is probably meant to be a movie-verse toy, Lugnut seems to have been designed to go either way. He has smooth if complicated joints and movements in his transformation and not a lot of paneling or folding (things that really seem to mark the movie line toys).

If we're going to get a Classics style Lugnut, this is it.

The figure looks bad-ass !!!

Nuff said...

Awesome update to Lugnut, although that is a strange place for the missle launcher especially without the tail detaching. I hope there is a better official deployment of it because it just looks very awkward. Peaugh also has a video of Tracks.

Love that figure. Def. getting the Takara one though.

If I was Peaugh, I probably would have reshot the section where he was complaining about the robot-mode aesthetics whilst, in actuality, having it mistransformed. It was making me a little lukwarm on getting the figure, considering how psyched I was before - and I nearly stopped the video before the addendum!

Classic Peaugh though, reminds me of the time I nearly didn't buy Animated Swindle because he had it mistransformed and said it didn't roll. I was creasing myself when I got it home and realised that it rolls beautifully...

Meh, can't wait to see his reviews of "stollen" TF3 figures like he did with ROTF. That time is coming very soon I would think...

At first I was hesitant when I saw the big gap between his head and his shoulders, but once the corrected transformation was shown, I was completely sold. He still may be a bit on the small side, scale-wise, but with the way his transformation was engineered, he's definitely a must-buy!

Does the trick with the gun still work when his back is fixed?

I think this will look quite nice next to my henkei Voyager Megatron. Lugnut will be so happy being at his glorious leader's side!

Wow! He is that much shorter than Lockdown? I know Lockdown is extraordinary tall as a deluxe class but Lugnut is a voyager class. He looks tempting now but I'm still not sure if he fit well with my classics or not.

HA i called this back when we seen pics from kotoys. It may have been later than i predicted but i knew peaugh would get ahold of it...

also theres a video review of Reveal The Shield Tracks up too

Counterpunch wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

chrisc4 wrote:he looks so awesome, but i can't figure out where to put him? is lugnut part of the movieverse line or the classics/universe/generations line?

Movieverse. Both he and Lockdown were released in movieverse packaging. N.E.S.T. for Lockdown, and HFTD/RTS is a continuation of N.E.S.T.

Wouldn't fit Generations, he's a Voyager, and the line is Deluxe only.

I have to say, I'm a bit confused as I thought you were at one point one of the people who argued against boxes defining how a toy should be treated. (I may be wrong about that and if I am...oops.)

The "Generations" line means nothing and the "Reveal the Shield" line means nothing. We have a mix of toys appearing in both lines. While I can buy the argument that Lockdown is probably meant to be a movie-verse toy, Lugnut seems to have been designed to go either way. He has smooth if complicated joints and movements in his transformation and not a lot of paneling or folding (things that really seem to mark the movie line toys).

If we're going to get a Classics style Lugnut, this is it.

Agreed. Otherwise, we all might as well refer to Special Ops Jazz and Turbo Tracks as "Movie" figures since they're also coming out in the yellow packaging.

Counterpunch wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

chrisc4 wrote:he looks so awesome, but i can't figure out where to put him? is lugnut part of the movieverse line or the classics/universe/generations line?

Movieverse. Both he and Lockdown were released in movieverse packaging. N.E.S.T. for Lockdown, and HFTD/RTS is a continuation of N.E.S.T.

Wouldn't fit Generations, he's a Voyager, and the line is Deluxe only.

I have to say, I'm a bit confused as I thought you were at one point one of the people who argued against boxes defining how a toy should be treated. (I may be wrong about that and if I am...oops.)

The "Generations" line means nothing and the "Reveal the Shield" line means nothing. We have a mix of toys appearing in both lines. While I can buy the argument that Lockdown is probably meant to be a movie-verse toy, Lugnut seems to have been designed to go either way. He has smooth if complicated joints and movements in his transformation and not a lot of paneling or folding (things that really seem to mark the movie line toys).

If we're going to get a Classics style Lugnut, this is it.

Agreed. He'll be going with my Classics 'Cons, just like Lockdown does.

Lugnut is so bought. He's one of the figures I'm most excited about from this line. I like the waist gun option, I hope it can still be done with the fixed transformation. Either way, there's enough joints there I can display him however I want.

IMO he's designed for classic-verse. He just doesn't have the movie-verse feel to him (he's seems to have a different aesthetic to Lockdown). It seems he is also part of the Japanese "United" line which appears to be only classic-verse style figs. Here's the "United" lineup on BBTS:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/sear ... ers+united

Okay, let me try and explain my thinking here.

In the beginning, the boxes were considered color coded by some (including me).

Red: Generations (Deluxe only line, with G1 updates and new designs such as WFC. Aimed at collectors and old skool fans.)

Yellow: Hunt For The Decepticons (Legends, Scout, Deluxe, Voyager, Leader, has a mix of both movieverse and C.H.U.G. Aimed at a middle point. Good for both collector/fan types and accessible for kids. Generations is fine for kids as well, but most of the figures in that line are aimed solely at us, where as HFTD is clearly aimed at everyone.)

Red/Blue: Power Core Combiners (Clearly aimed at kids, though some older fans do embrace them and the idea.)

This all started with ROTF toys.

ROTF became N.E.S.T., which included Lockdown.

N.E.S.T. became HFTD, which included Battle Hooks Prime, Starscream, Deluxe Class Ironhide, Battle Blade Bumblebee, and Battle Ops Bumblebee, Sidearm Sideswipe, the Voyager Class Ratchet repaint, the Deluxe Class Ratchet repaint and Elita-1 among others, all clearly movieverse figures.

HFTD had figures that were C.H.U.G. in nature, start to trickle in, such as Sea Spray, however, a lot of folks complained that he had too much of the movie aesthetic for them to fully classify him as a Classics figure. (NOTE: I didn't say all people did, but a few. I didn't say their answer was the right one, just that they mentioned it.) So I'm not entirely sure you couldn't classify him as both movieverse and Classic. Anyway...

HFTD is now shifting over into Reveal The Shield, and more C.H.U.G. molds and inspired molds are taking the lead in the line, but it's start was in the movieverse. Even though Lugnut has a C.H.U.G. feel, and is being sold under the United label in Japan, he's very much like his Animated to movie brother, Lockdown. More complex, more realistic, and both coming out of a line spawned out of the movieverse toyline.

That's why I said he was movieverse and not a part of Classics. If you follow the color code, and look at it from a logical standpoint, he's really a movieverse figure.

Now, I realize that they'll be phasing the movieverse designs out, more and more as RTS progresses, but they won't cut them out completely, not with DOTM coming this summer and they'll need to fire up the movieverse all over again. This will allow them to keep the movieverse alive and fresh and in people's minds and will allow the transition to be much easier than it had been before.

You know, fall in love with a line only to have it abruptly end to make room for the movie, then restarting it with a new name once the movie's died down?

I don't think it'll be as hard on us as it was in the past because of this shifting lines idea of their's. Keeps it all on the table and gives access to the multiverse of figures and designs.

Does Lugnut look like a Classics style figure? For the most part, yes. But he's really a mishmash caught between both universes and aside from his size, that makes him perfect for RTS. It's that middle of the road thing.

You may not agree with me, that's fine, but this is why I say he's movieverse. Until Hasbro comes forward and says he's not, I'll continue to look at him as just that.

Oh, and we can't rely on Takara's offerings, because they're releasing different size classes under the United label, where Hasbro is clearly not. At least not all of it in one line.

The only thing I feel doesn't work in your post, Autobot032, is that you're partly basing it on the packaging color...but they're phasing out the red packaging for deluxes. So HFTD & Generations are essentially merging into yellow-packaged RTS, because both styles of figures are being released under it. Otherwise, you could say Turbo Tracks & Jazz are Moviverse if you base it on the packaging, but they're clearly not. So from that viewpoint, Lugnut could go either way.

kirbenvost wrote:The only thing I feel doesn't work in your post, Autobot032, is that you're partly basing it on the packaging color...but they're phasing out the red packaging for deluxes. So HFTD & Generations are essentially merging into yellow-packaged RTS, because both styles of figures are being released under it. Otherwise, you could say Turbo Tracks & Jazz are Moviverse if you base it on the packaging, but they're clearly not. So from that viewpoint, Lugnut could go either way.

They're phasing out Generations packaging? Where and when was this said?

Autobot032 wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:The only thing I feel doesn't work in your post, Autobot032, is that you're partly basing it on the packaging color...but they're phasing out the red packaging for deluxes. So HFTD & Generations are essentially merging into yellow-packaged RTS, because both styles of figures are being released under it. Otherwise, you could say Turbo Tracks & Jazz are Moviverse if you base it on the packaging, but they're clearly not. So from that viewpoint, Lugnut could go either way.

They're phasing out Generations packaging? Where and when was this said?

I forget when/what site posted it first, but here's a story on tformers (first thing that came up in google, apologies if I'm not supposed to be posting links to other sites): http://tformers.com/transformers-reveal-the-shield-deluxe-wave-1-jazz-fallback-tracks-mindset-in-package/14412/news.html

kirbenvost wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:The only thing I feel doesn't work in your post, Autobot032, is that you're partly basing it on the packaging color...but they're phasing out the red packaging for deluxes. So HFTD & Generations are essentially merging into yellow-packaged RTS, because both styles of figures are being released under it. Otherwise, you could say Turbo Tracks & Jazz are Moviverse if you base it on the packaging, but they're clearly not. So from that viewpoint, Lugnut could go either way.

They're phasing out Generations packaging? Where and when was this said?

I forget when/what site posted it first, but here's a story on tformers (first thing that came up in google, apologies if I'm not supposed to be posting links to other sites): http://tformers.com/transformers-reveal-the-shield-deluxe-wave-1-jazz-fallback-tracks-mindset-in-package/14412/news.html

Hmm. I'm not sure what to think at this point, then.

I thought Generations and RTS were going to run side by side. I see now that that's not the case.

Yes, the underslung cannon can still be done with the proper transformation. Also, moving those shoulders up allows for enough room for Lugnut to fire the cannon over his back.

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Dai_Ceefax wrote:Love that figure. Def. getting the Takara one though.

If I was Peaugh, I probably would have reshot the section where he was complaining about the robot-mode aesthetics whilst, in actuality, having it mistransformed. It was making me a little lukwarm on getting the figure, considering how psyched I was before - and I nearly stopped the video before the addendum!

Classic Peaugh though, reminds me of the time I nearly didn't buy Animated Swindle because he had it mistransformed and said it didn't roll. I was creasing myself when I got it home and realised that it rolls beautifully...

That's why I don't like Peaugh's reviews. It's like he rushes the review just to be the first one to do it and he very often screws up somewhere. What's the point of watching a review when the guy doing it gets it wrong so many times?

Gah! don't know what to put him in G1 Or movie?

Defect wrote:Gah! don't know what to put him in G1 Or movie?

Both: Hasbro can go in Movie, Takara in Classics.

Very cool figure. I wonder if we'll see more Animated homages soon. There are definitely a lot of amazing designs in Animated that would look great in a more "realistic" aesthetic as well.
Speaking of Animated designs, last time I checked, Animated Sky-Byte was supposed to look like a remolded Lugnut, that could be a pretty cool remold to see.

I may be one of the very few (if not the only) person who doesn't really care for this figure. With newer (i.e. non-G1) characters, I like alt-modes that are more realistic, which is one of the things that drew me back to Transformers as an adult, when the 1st movie came out. This looks too cartoonish/animated, and I'm not a fan of Animated, really.

Bounti76 wrote:I may be one of the very few (if not the only) person who doesn't really care for this figure. With newer (i.e. non-G1) characters, I like alt-modes that are more realistic, which is one of the things that drew me back to Transformers as an adult, when the 1st movie came out. This looks too cartoonish/animated, and I'm not a fan of Animated, really.

I feel much the same way. The movie brought me back in 07. I hadn't had a transformer since G2 toys were on the shelves. And I very much like seeing Mustangs, F22's, and Peterbuilt trucks turn into these characters. Because when I'm out and I see one, I feel like hey... it could be... it could be.

At the same time, I'm actually selecting individual molds out of the Generations line so far that I like. The WFC molds especially, and Drift to compliment those. And I continue to look at each new mold to see if it'll fit what I'm trying to do. But this one does not fit, mostly for the reasons you listed.

Now Tracks... quite possibly.

Wait...so this is an actual Generations series voyager? I'm confused.

Mindmaster wrote:Surprisingly juicy in my eyes. His bald head reminds me of that Eustace guy from Courage the Cowardly Dog. Crappy show.

You sir are asking for a Cartoon Cartoons butt kicking! Don't make me go all Bravo over you!

Evil_the_Nub wrote:-

Dai_Ceefax wrote:Love that figure. Def. getting the Takara one though.

If I was Peaugh, I probably would have reshot the section where he was complaining about the robot-mode aesthetics whilst, in actuality, having it mistransformed. It was making me a little lukwarm on getting the figure, considering how psyched I was before - and I nearly stopped the video before the addendum!

Classic Peaugh though, reminds me of the time I nearly didn't buy Animated Swindle because he had it mistransformed and said it didn't roll. I was creasing myself when I got it home and realised that it rolls beautifully...

That's why I don't like Peaugh's reviews. It's like he rushes the review just to be the first one to do it and he very often screws up somewhere. What's the point of watching a review when the guy doing it gets it wrong so many times?

You guys have a point but at the same time he is providing a free service (sorry travel and tourism business student here). If you dont like the reviews go watch Optibotmus, Sean (where ever he is) or some of the other guys (sorry again been off facetube for a while)

Facetube = pun from James May

Nice of Peaugh to confirm what's in Lugnut's tail wing - I was initially thinking it would be his hammer, but an irremovable missle launcher? Ah well, I like it lots anyways. Really wasn't expecting the extendable punch gimmick, that one's awesome.

I'll get the Takara version, what with being shinier, having a broader colour palette and whatnot.

mattyc1007 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:-

Dai_Ceefax wrote:Love that figure. Def. getting the Takara one though.

If I was Peaugh, I probably would have reshot the section where he was complaining about the robot-mode aesthetics whilst, in actuality, having it mistransformed. It was making me a little lukwarm on getting the figure, considering how psyched I was before - and I nearly stopped the video before the addendum!

Classic Peaugh though, reminds me of the time I nearly didn't buy Animated Swindle because he had it mistransformed and said it didn't roll. I was creasing myself when I got it home and realised that it rolls beautifully...

That's why I don't like Peaugh's reviews. It's like he rushes the review just to be the first one to do it and he very often screws up somewhere. What's the point of watching a review when the guy doing it gets it wrong so many times?

You guys have a point but at the same time he is providing a free service (sorry travel and tourism business student here). If you dont like the reviews go watch Optibotmus, Sean (where ever he is) or some of the other guys (sorry again been off facetube for a while)

Facetube = pun from James May

I do, plus I like to wait till the figures are out in stores before I watch reviews. I'm just saying I don't get why Peaugh is the Michael Jordan of youtube Transformer reviewers.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm just saying I don't get why Peaugh is the Michael Jordan of youtube Transformer reviewers.

Because he usually has the first look at a fig, his camera picture is clear, and his reviews are straight to the point for the most part. He doesn't spend 5+ minutes telling you what color every last part is (which you can easily see in pictures) or rotate every single joint saying 360 degrees, 360 degrees, 360 degrees (man, that's annoying!) Sure, there are a few guys out there that are more entertaining, but when I watch a review it's not to be entertained. I just want info on a figure...and Peaugh typically does the best job of providing that, and first to boot.

As for this fig, I agree...I'm not really sure what to do with it. Doesn't really fit with anything other than maybe movie, non screen figs which I don't really have shelf space for anymore.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:That's why I don't like Peaugh's reviews. It's like he rushes the review just to be the first one to do it and he very often screws up somewhere. What's the point of watching a review when the guy doing it gets it wrong so many times?

He does pretty good for getting figures sans box and instructions. Having to figure out proper transformations, He does better than the first pics we saw.

Not really feeling this guy....I would rather have a proper leader class version of Animated Lugnut instead.

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:I may be one of the very few (if not the only) person who doesn't really care for this figure. With newer (i.e. non-G1) characters, I like alt-modes that are more realistic, which is one of the things that drew me back to Transformers as an adult, when the 1st movie came out. This looks too cartoonish/animated, and I'm not a fan of Animated, really.

I feel much the same way. The movie brought me back in 07. I hadn't had a transformer since G2 toys were on the shelves. And I very much like seeing Mustangs, F22's, and Peterbuilt trucks turn into these characters. Because when I'm out and I see one, I feel like hey... it could be... it could be.

At the same time, I'm actually selecting individual molds out of the Generations line so far that I like. The WFC molds especially, and Drift to compliment those. And I continue to look at each new mold to see if it'll fit what I'm trying to do. But this one does not fit, mostly for the reasons you listed.

Now Tracks... quite possibly.

I agree with both of you on this very much. Right down to the Tracks comment.

When I first saw pictures of this figure I really thought it was a must-buy, but now I really don't have a lot of desire to grab it. I actually think it is a neat figure, but it just isn't my cup of tea. There's no other way to explain it. I guess I feel the same as far as liking the more "realistic" alt modes more.

Kibble wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm just saying I don't get why Peaugh is the Michael Jordan of youtube Transformer reviewers.

Because he usually has the first look at a fig, his camera picture is clear, and his reviews are straight to the point for the most part. He doesn't spend 5+ minutes telling you what color every last part is (which you can easily see in pictures) or rotate every single joint saying 360 degrees, 360 degrees, 360 degrees (man, that's annoying!) Sure, there are a few guys out there that are more entertaining, but when I watch a review it's not to be entertained. I just want info on a figure...and Peaugh typically does the best job of providing that, and first to boot.

Woah everybody, I in no way wanted to incite any debate about Peaugh as a reviewer, just to point out something that might have done differently. It just happened to remind me of the 'Swindle doesn't roll' issue and made me chuckle. Peaugh obviously does his upmost make getting reviews of new TFs to his subscribers his main priority, hence the lack of cutting/reshooting - and he does remarkably well considering the lack of editing, I might add! I'm not so keen on the promotion of stolen toy sales, but that's another matter...

EDIT: I forgot to add, I am so with Kibble on the guys who demonstrate EVERY point of articulation and waste time telling you what colour something is when you, the viewer, can see it. Because it's a video. And we have eyes. And that's how vision works.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Wait...so this is an actual Generations series voyager? I'm confused.

Not really...Generations as the name of the line is being phased out after the current wave. The next wave with Jazz & Tracks is going to be called "Reveal The Shield" and packaged with yellow cards instead of red, while the current non-deluxe figures will continue on in similar packaging but dropping the "Hunt for the Decepticons" tagline. I believe they may also be using the "Reveal The Shield" tagline, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Basically, he's Generations if you want him to be.

Peaugh wrote:Yes, the underslung cannon can still be done with the proper transformation. Also, moving those shoulders up allows for enough room for Lugnut to fire the cannon over his back.

Nice! That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks Peaugh!

kirbenvost wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Wait...so this is an actual Generations series voyager? I'm confused.

Not really...Generations as the name of the line is being phased out after the current wave. The next wave with Jazz & Tracks is going to be called "Reveal The Shield" and packaged with yellow cards instead of red, while the current non-deluxe figures will continue on in similar packaging but dropping the "Hunt for the Decepticons" tagline. I believe they may also be using the "Reveal The Shield" tagline, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Basically, he's Generations if you want him to be.

Yeah that's what I kept telling people! I keep getting told that Generations and Reveal the Shield will run side-by-side until the Dark of the Moon toyline. That makes no sense because we would have two comparable classic toylines at the same time but with different packaging.

Prime Riblet wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:I may be one of the very few (if not the only) person who doesn't really care for this figure. With newer (i.e. non-G1) characters, I like alt-modes that are more realistic, which is one of the things that drew me back to Transformers as an adult, when the 1st movie came out. This looks too cartoonish/animated, and I'm not a fan of Animated, really.

I feel much the same way. The movie brought me back in 07. I hadn't had a transformer since G2 toys were on the shelves. And I very much like seeing Mustangs, F22's, and Peterbuilt trucks turn into these characters. Because when I'm out and I see one, I feel like hey... it could be... it could be.

At the same time, I'm actually selecting individual molds out of the Generations line so far that I like. The WFC molds especially, and Drift to compliment those. And I continue to look at each new mold to see if it'll fit what I'm trying to do. But this one does not fit, mostly for the reasons you listed.

Now Tracks... quite possibly.

I agree with both of you on this very much. Right down to the Tracks comment.

When I first saw pictures of this figure I really thought it was a must-buy, but now I really don't have a lot of desire to grab it. I actually think it is a neat figure, but it just isn't my cup of tea. There's no other way to explain it. I guess I feel the same as far as liking the more "realistic" alt modes more.

I agree with both of you. I think I'll actually pick up Tracks and (when he's released) Wheeljack... although their alt modes don't look super-realistic (like BB's Camaro mode) from the pictures I've seen, I have a soft spot for G1 characters. Which is also why I'll be picking up characters like Fallback, for instance. Though he's *just* a recolor of Brawn, so was G1 Outback, who he's homaging. I like to display my old G1 'bots next to their newer counterparts.

And quickly back on subject, that's why I won't be picking up Lugnut. Never watched Animated, and have no connection to the character.

Man. Now I don't know if I want the Hasbro one or United Lugnut. Hasbro's colors don't look as bad as I had originally thought.