Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20
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A Review of Transformers: Lost Light #20
Generally Spoiler-Free
Here we see the fandom outside Mr. Roberts' office
A Review of Transformers: Lost Light #20
Generally Spoiler-Free
Here we see the fandom outside Mr. Roberts' office
Part 2 of the final story in the larger More Than Meets The Eye and Lost Light saga has arrived, with a big promise found in the solicitation: at last, Rodimus and Getaway are set to do battle!
To make this a long, wordy review will almost definitely spoil someone on something even if I don't intend to. If you're here just to find an answer to the question "is this issue good?", then the answer is "Yes, it's great - and you can stop reading this review now."
Two images from page one? Yes. Just go read it.
As highlighted by Va'al in his review of issue 19, there is a great deal going on. In issue 20, there still is, but the amount that is addressed in satisfying ways is nothing short of incredible. While not every pertinent question is answered, those within the context of the main events of this particular issue get some form of an answer. Telling you how complete these answers are may imply plot details, which I'm desperately trying to avoid in this review. Praise nonetheless is deserved for the pacing and intensity delivered by every page of this important chapter of the story.
"Guess Who The Mecannibals Are Having For Dinner?"
There is one side plot in particular among the several that get attention which felt somewhat truncated and short, at least upon a first reading. If you know me at all, you might know what I'm referring to, but if not, you probably will after reading. After taking some time to think about it over the last several days, it was close to the best choice that could have been made considering the wider narrative. Did it get space? Yes. Would I have liked for it to have gotten more? Yes. Would the plot have been better served with said "more" space? No. This issue had a purpose, and this part of the story was not the focus for a reason.
Actually lol'd
The focus is exactly what was promised in the solicitation: Rodimus vs Getaway. Getaway stole the Lost Light during a mutiny in More Than Meets The Eye #50, which was published on March 9th, 2016. Two years, four months, and two days later, the confrontation you've been waiting for arrives. It's the focus of the issue, it deserves that focus, and James Roberts absolutely delivers. Page 16 is absolutely chill-inducing, and the entire creative team deserves your $4 pretty much just based on it alone.
Yeah he did terrible things, but he throws one hell of a 4th of July party!
Speaking of the creative team: Casey. Freaking. Coller. One of the great missed opportunities of the IDW run is that Coller wasn't chosen for more interior work. Ever since the incredible Ironhide mini-series, I've been absolutely blown away by his work and the output on Lost Light #20 did so all over again. I couldn't post many of the best panels without spoiling stuff that shouldn't be spoiled, but his work on the action scenes breathes another level of life into them, telling a story within the story. The panels with more talking look great too (scroll up for that look at Rung and Wipe Out - wow!) and if this ends up being Casey Coller's last work on an IDW Transformers book, then it's one hell of a last hurrah.
Joana Lafuente's colors aren't to be ignored either, bringing the look right into "definitely Lost Light" territory. Despite there now being six interior artists (apologies if I missed someone) throughout the run of the series, you can always know what book it is just by taking a glance at a few pages. Tom B. Long provides all the "THUD"s, "HFF"s, and "THWACK"s you could ask for along with the usual stellar letter work, with some clever twists in the "speech" of the alien characters that calls right back to a previous plot-line. Regular series artist Jack Lawrence provides two covers, with Lafuente again on colors, with the "A" cover shown in this news story's thumbnail. As always, you can look up all the covers, credits, and potentially-spoiler-laden character appearances in our Vector Sigma Database entry for Lost Light #20.
Verdict
American translation: "will always sound stupid"
American translation: "will always sound stupid"
This is what you've been waiting for. The main undercurrent for the main character of the series crashes to the shore in Lost Light #20, and it's a great ride. Read, experience, and enjoy. There are only so many more times you can.
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out of Bonus! James Roberts' soundtrack suggestions for this issue were not available as of this writing, either that or I've forgotten how Twitter works on a desktop. Here's my own suggestion, because why not, and because it just works for this one:
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Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970282)
Posted by Va'al on July 11th, 2018 @ 7:43am CDT
Posted by Va'al on July 11th, 2018 @ 7:43am CDT
A very very good review, and deserved praise for Coller!
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970283)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 11th, 2018 @ 8:06am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 11th, 2018 @ 8:06am CDT
I'm happy to hear that this delivers on the promise of getaway getting exactly what he deserves. I'm going to enjoy reading this one I think.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970305)
Posted by MrBlack on July 11th, 2018 @ 8:41am CDT
Posted by MrBlack on July 11th, 2018 @ 8:41am CDT
This was a really enjoyable issue.
I honestly didn't expect to see this part of the plot wrap so soon, and it was VERY satisfying. Star Saber went down quickly, but he's been little more than a plot device in this series so that's to be expected. The Getaway/Rodimus confrontation was perfect.
With Getaway gone it looks like Roberts will have plenty of space to tell the Grand Architect's story. I wonder to what degree it will intersect with the Unicron event. Is he "the Beast" Tyrest spoke of? Is Unicron coming through that portal at the end?
I honestly didn't expect to see this part of the plot wrap so soon, and it was VERY satisfying. Star Saber went down quickly, but he's been little more than a plot device in this series so that's to be expected. The Getaway/Rodimus confrontation was perfect.
With Getaway gone it looks like Roberts will have plenty of space to tell the Grand Architect's story. I wonder to what degree it will intersect with the Unicron event. Is he "the Beast" Tyrest spoke of? Is Unicron coming through that portal at the end?
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970321)
Posted by Randomhero on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:08am CDT
You’re not reading the other books are you? Unicron has been slumbering pretending to be a planet for eons. There’s no portal for him to come through and lost light is not partaking in the Unicron event
. Everything we’re gettjng is what James set up 6 years ago. this is their story.
Posted by Randomhero on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:08am CDT
MrBlack wrote:This was a really enjoyable issue.
I honestly didn't expect to see this part of the plot wrap so soon, and it was VERY satisfying. Star Saber went down quickly, but he's been little more than a plot device in this series so that's to be expected. The Getaway/Rodimus confrontation was perfect.
With Getaway gone it looks like Roberts will have plenty of space to tell the Grand Architect's story. I wonder to what degree it will intersect with the Unicron event. Is he "the Beast" Tyrest spoke of? Is Unicron coming through that portal at the end?
You’re not reading the other books are you? Unicron has been slumbering pretending to be a planet for eons. There’s no portal for him to come through and lost light is not partaking in the Unicron event
. Everything we’re gettjng is what James set up 6 years ago. this is their story.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970326)
Posted by MrBlack on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:16am CDT
Posted by MrBlack on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:16am CDT
I am reading the other books.
I think it's still open to have at least a minor crossover. Lost Light seems to be running behind the other books in the timeline. We saw Unicron wake, but haven't seen exactly where he came from. I think there's enough there for it to be an open question, if unlikely.
I think it's still open to have at least a minor crossover. Lost Light seems to be running behind the other books in the timeline. We saw Unicron wake, but haven't seen exactly where he came from. I think there's enough there for it to be an open question, if unlikely.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970329)
Posted by YoungPrime on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:30am CDT
Posted by YoungPrime on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:30am CDT
Good issue I give it an 8/10.
Loved the way one particular Bot bought the farm. Another long awaited "conclusion" was too cut and dry though.
Not sure what that was at the end though but I'm looking forward to finding out in the next issue.
Loved the way one particular Bot bought the farm. Another long awaited "conclusion" was too cut and dry though.
Not sure what that was at the end though but I'm looking forward to finding out in the next issue.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970330)
Posted by Randomhero on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:31am CDT
There is no crossover. It’s been said several times for the past year that LL is not contributing or crossing with the Unicron event. They’re leaving it alone so James can finish his story without interruptions. Why do you think that all the interviews James has not been part of. It’s all John and Alex
Posted by Randomhero on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:31am CDT
MrBlack wrote:I am reading the other books.
I think it's still open to have at least a minor crossover. Lost Light seems to be running behind the other books in the timeline. We saw Unicron wake, but haven't seen exactly where he came from. I think there's enough there for it to be an open question, if unlikely.
There is no crossover. It’s been said several times for the past year that LL is not contributing or crossing with the Unicron event. They’re leaving it alone so James can finish his story without interruptions. Why do you think that all the interviews James has not been part of. It’s all John and Alex
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970332)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:38am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:38am CDT
Randomhero is right, not to say that James could have let barber know how things were going to end if he wanted to add anything from ll to the last issues of unicron but I sincerely doubt it. So sit back and watch the ll's last flight...then go and see Cybertron being eaten 
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970335)
Posted by Randomhero on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:41am CDT
Posted by Randomhero on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:41am CDT
Look at it this way, MTMTE/LL is a fairly isolated book. It’s james story. Yes it’s crossed over with Dark Cybertron and contributed very lightly with Combiner wars and the only hiccup in the entire series has been bringing Megatron in which he got rid of last year to get back on track.
Does shoehorning unicron into the finale of the whole thing really work with everything james Roberts has done? Unicron has his own series and Optimus Prime will be dealing with what’s happening on a earth with Unicron because John Barber has been laying seeds to cross with unicron in that book since the start of 2018.
Can you actually be satified with adding anything unicron to MTMTE and lost light at the end very end where there will not be a pay off of him because it’s happening elsewhere?
Does shoehorning unicron into the finale of the whole thing really work with everything james Roberts has done? Unicron has his own series and Optimus Prime will be dealing with what’s happening on a earth with Unicron because John Barber has been laying seeds to cross with unicron in that book since the start of 2018.
Can you actually be satified with adding anything unicron to MTMTE and lost light at the end very end where there will not be a pay off of him because it’s happening elsewhere?
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970340)
Posted by YoungPrime on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:54am CDT
Which works for me! I'm not even that hyped for Barber's stuff.
I can't stand most of OP's cast anyway. Or the humans, the Hasbro-verse shoe in's and now Beast War characters as Unicron's minions...? It's no wonder why JR won't be part of the this tie in or the reboot.
Posted by YoungPrime on July 11th, 2018 @ 9:54am CDT
Randomhero wrote:MrBlack wrote:I am reading the other books.
I think it's still open to have at least a minor crossover. Lost Light seems to be running behind the other books in the timeline. We saw Unicron wake, but haven't seen exactly where he came from. I think there's enough there for it to be an open question, if unlikely.
There is no crossover. It’s been said several times for the past year that LL is not contributing or crossing with the Unicron event. They’re leaving it alone so James can finish his story without interruptions. Why do you think that all the interviews James has not been part of. It’s all John and Alex
Which works for me! I'm not even that hyped for Barber's stuff. I can't stand most of OP's cast anyway. Or the humans, the Hasbro-verse shoe in's and now Beast War characters as Unicron's minions...? It's no wonder why JR won't be part of the this tie in or the reboot.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970345)
Posted by Big Grim on July 11th, 2018 @ 10:04am CDT
Posted by Big Grim on July 11th, 2018 @ 10:04am CDT
Top notch issue. One death a little quick, the other was perfect. Rodimus emerging from the fires in his proper colours with Getaway was sublime!
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970349)
Posted by Randomhero on July 11th, 2018 @ 10:15am CDT
Posted by Randomhero on July 11th, 2018 @ 10:15am CDT
YoungPrime wrote:Randomhero wrote:MrBlack wrote:I am reading the other books.
I think it's still open to have at least a minor crossover. Lost Light seems to be running behind the other books in the timeline. We saw Unicron wake, but haven't seen exactly where he came from. I think there's enough there for it to be an open question, if unlikely.
There is no crossover. It’s been said several times for the past year that LL is not contributing or crossing with the Unicron event. They’re leaving it alone so James can finish his story without interruptions. Why do you think that all the interviews James has not been part of. It’s all John and Alex
I can't stand most of OP's cast anyway. Or the humans, the Hasbro-verse shoe in's and now Beast War characters as Unicron's minions...? It's no wonder why JR won't be part of the this tie or the reboot.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970354)
Posted by ScottyP on July 11th, 2018 @ 10:44am CDT
I know it may seem harmless but the wholesale dismissal of conversation like this drives folks away.
Posted by ScottyP on July 11th, 2018 @ 10:44am CDT
Randomhero wrote:MrBlack wrote:I am reading the other books.
I think it's still open to have at least a minor crossover. Lost Light seems to be running behind the other books in the timeline. We saw Unicron wake, but haven't seen exactly where he came from. I think there's enough there for it to be an open question, if unlikely.
There is no crossover. It’s been said several times for the past year that LL is not contributing or crossing with the Unicron event. They’re leaving it alone so James can finish his story without interruptions. Why do you think that all the interviews James has not been part of. It’s all John and Alex
Or maybe MrBlack's just throwing out some fun speculation!ZeroWolf wrote:Randomhero is right, not to say that James could have let barber know how things were going to end if he wanted to add anything from ll to the last issues of unicron but I sincerely doubt it. So sit back and watch the ll's last flight...then go and see Cybertron being eaten
I know it may seem harmless but the wholesale dismissal of conversation like this drives folks away.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970358)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 11th, 2018 @ 10:54am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 11th, 2018 @ 10:54am CDT
Sorry, wasn't supposed to sound quite like that 
was supposed to be letting him down gently that there's no crossover. Suppose there could be a last minute surprise
was supposed to be letting him down gently that there's no crossover. Suppose there could be a last minute surprise
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970366)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 11th, 2018 @ 11:44am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 11th, 2018 @ 11:44am CDT
A little visual cameo of Rodimus Prime towards the end of this run would be nice. I mean they've already completely botched the Beast Wars cameos by leaving them as generic soldiers. So I think having the Chosen One, who actually legitimately defeated the original Unicron appear in some way would be the only potential tie in/crossover necessary from LL.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970398)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 11th, 2018 @ 3:11pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 11th, 2018 @ 3:11pm CDT
I gotta disagree with bringing Megatron in being a "hiccup." Roberts has done a lot of things badly in MTMTE and LL, but Megatron's story was not one of them. It's one of the few redeeming parts the book has. Until the end, anyway. The ending of Dying of the Light was f**king horrible. But like I said before, maybe this last arc will bring everything together. It seems to be improving in story telling.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970429)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on July 11th, 2018 @ 6:15pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on July 11th, 2018 @ 6:15pm CDT
Spoilers ahead!
1) I felt Star Saber went far too fast. He had Defensor syndrome here (not over that, thanks for asking) in a horrible way. we didn't even see his Robot mode! That was kinda sad, but also insanely awesome. Proof Roberts has once again made a great Cyclonus.
2) Whirl and his scraplets. again proof Whirl is another one of the best IDW bots. That was great! And great use of them to eat Getaway, perfect ending for him. Especially since Rodimus overcame a lot of personal stuff right beforehand. Also, still kinda sad that those guys still ate like 25 crewmembers.
3) the sparkeaters felt disposed of a bit too fast too, especially since numerous ones died last issue. Eh, things happen.
The sky torn asunder. I really want to know who the grand architect is and what this is... Maybe it's that creature from "Call of the Primitives?"
1) I felt Star Saber went far too fast. He had Defensor syndrome here (not over that, thanks for asking) in a horrible way. we didn't even see his Robot mode! That was kinda sad, but also insanely awesome. Proof Roberts has once again made a great Cyclonus.
2) Whirl and his scraplets. again proof Whirl is another one of the best IDW bots. That was great! And great use of them to eat Getaway, perfect ending for him. Especially since Rodimus overcame a lot of personal stuff right beforehand. Also, still kinda sad that those guys still ate like 25 crewmembers.
3) the sparkeaters felt disposed of a bit too fast too, especially since numerous ones died last issue. Eh, things happen.
The sky torn asunder. I really want to know who the grand architect is and what this is... Maybe it's that creature from "Call of the Primitives?"
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970445)
Posted by Ironhidensh on July 11th, 2018 @ 7:54pm CDT
After how Defensor went out, I really loved seeing Starsaber go out like a bitch!
This was a great issue, just simply great. Every thing clicked together just right. We finally saw Rodimus Prime. Kudos to Roberts and Coller and the whole team!
Posted by Ironhidensh on July 11th, 2018 @ 7:54pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Spoilers ahead!
1) I felt Star Saber went far too fast. He had Defensor syndrome here (not over that, thanks for asking) in a horrible way. we didn't even see his Robot mode! That was kinda sad, but also insanely awesome. Proof Roberts has once again made a great Cyclonus.
2)
After how Defensor went out, I really loved seeing Starsaber go out like a bitch!
This was a great issue, just simply great. Every thing clicked together just right. We finally saw Rodimus Prime. Kudos to Roberts and Coller and the whole team!
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970446)
Posted by Sagitta on July 11th, 2018 @ 7:56pm CDT
Posted by Sagitta on July 11th, 2018 @ 7:56pm CDT
Anyone catch that Rung was familiar, using his own personal memory, with the sound/impression/insignia the telepaths chanted after the countdown? Unless he was "off panel" he wasn't seen in Megatron's class on the Knights' various coat of arms. 
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970537)
Posted by Randomhero on July 12th, 2018 @ 9:06am CDT
Information creep. Rung doesn’t remember much of his past
Posted by Randomhero on July 12th, 2018 @ 9:06am CDT
Sagitta wrote:Anyone catch that Rung was familiar, using his own personal memory, with the sound/impression/insignia the telepaths chanted after the countdown? Unless he was "off panel" he wasn't seen in Megatron's class on the Knights' various coat of arms.
Information creep. Rung doesn’t remember much of his past
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970575)
Posted by Randomhero on July 12th, 2018 @ 12:10pm CDT
Says the dude who’s taking break to enjoy some delicious ecto-cooler. GET BACK TO WORK!
Posted by Randomhero on July 12th, 2018 @ 12:10pm CDT
Says the dude who’s taking break to enjoy some delicious ecto-cooler. GET BACK TO WORK!
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970598)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 12th, 2018 @ 1:42pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 12th, 2018 @ 1:42pm CDT
Ok, as we near the end, a slight tangent. Given the above reactions to Star Saber, Defensor and others before, as well as my own misgivings about previous deaths/defeats IE The totally pathetic way Bruticus was "defeated".
Who do you feel has been screwed over the most in the IDWverse continuity? Be that in characterisation, representation etc
Oh, lets keep the discourse civil/adult too.
Personally, my pick is Punch/Counterpunch IE The bot that never was. The fact Legacy of Rust exists, to an unknown level of completion, and was simply shelved for the most asinine of excuses boggles the mind. By rights this is/was the character's only appearance in this continuity, his own mini no less and it will now likely never see the light of day again with the end of this continuity. Meanwhile blatant trash like Heart of Darkness, Transformers/Avengers and the Costa Run will endure through collected volumes. Could this have been up there with The Wreckers mini's in terms of quality? The world will never know..
Who do you feel has been screwed over the most in the IDWverse continuity? Be that in characterisation, representation etc
Oh, lets keep the discourse civil/adult too.
Personally, my pick is Punch/Counterpunch IE The bot that never was. The fact Legacy of Rust exists, to an unknown level of completion, and was simply shelved for the most asinine of excuses boggles the mind. By rights this is/was the character's only appearance in this continuity, his own mini no less and it will now likely never see the light of day again with the end of this continuity. Meanwhile blatant trash like Heart of Darkness, Transformers/Avengers and the Costa Run will endure through collected volumes. Could this have been up there with The Wreckers mini's in terms of quality? The world will never know..
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970617)
Posted by Randomhero on July 12th, 2018 @ 3:02pm CDT
None. I don’t compare previous fiction to current IDW characters because it’s not fair. There more continuities and universes for there to be comeplelty different and new versions.
Could legacy of Rust been good? Maybe/maybe not. There’s a reason they pulled it. It was created while they were wanting to change things in a new direction. It was also an Andy Schmidt creation so keep that that under advisement. People can say negative things about Barber. 1. They’re wrong and 2. Schmidt admitted fully on message boards he didn’t even read what he was being the editor of. John did that.
Only character I won’t say was screwed but was Unfortunate was Scourge. He was just forgotten and killed off panel and confirmed dead in a commentary to an u related book.
Posted by Randomhero on July 12th, 2018 @ 3:02pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Ok, as we near the end, a slight tangent. Given the above reactions to Star Saber, Defensor and others before, as well as my own misgivings about previous deaths/defeats IE The totally pathetic way Bruticus was "defeated".
Who do you feel has been screwed over the most in the IDWverse continuity? Be that in characterisation, representation etc
Oh, lets keep the discourse civil/adult too.
Personally, my pick is Punch/Counterpunch IE The bot that never was. The fact Legacy of Rust exists, to an unknown level of completion, and was simply shelved for the most asinine of excuses boggles the mind. By rights this is/was the character's only appearance in this continuity, his own mini no less and it will now likely never see the light of day again with the end of this continuity. Meanwhile blatant trash like Heart of Darkness, Transformers/Avengers and the Costa Run will endure through collected volumes. Could this have been up there with The Wreckers mini's in terms of quality? The world will never know..
None. I don’t compare previous fiction to current IDW characters because it’s not fair. There more continuities and universes for there to be comeplelty different and new versions.
Could legacy of Rust been good? Maybe/maybe not. There’s a reason they pulled it. It was created while they were wanting to change things in a new direction. It was also an Andy Schmidt creation so keep that that under advisement. People can say negative things about Barber. 1. They’re wrong and 2. Schmidt admitted fully on message boards he didn’t even read what he was being the editor of. John did that.
Only character I won’t say was screwed but was Unfortunate was Scourge. He was just forgotten and killed off panel and confirmed dead in a commentary to an u related book.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970625)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 12th, 2018 @ 3:33pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 12th, 2018 @ 3:33pm CDT
I think term screwed over is going to vary from person to person just as randomhero has pointed out and demonstrated. I think though kup got a raw deal but likely he was given the go ahead to go like that based on the fact he probably didn't have a place in the finale.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970626)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 12th, 2018 @ 3:34pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 12th, 2018 @ 3:34pm CDT
I'm not really talking about comparisons between previous runs either, that is subjective. I'm purely referring to representation within IDWverse. Scourge was my number two choice also. His entire appearance from Heart of Darkness to CHAOS was a complete mess. I ultimately equate it to: They had plans for Cyclonus and eventual plans for Galvatron, Scourge was the odd one out.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970639)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 12th, 2018 @ 4:53pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 12th, 2018 @ 4:53pm CDT
Since we're in the Lost Light thread, my answer will pertain to MTMTE/LL only. And the 2 characters who were most grossly misused were Ultra Magnus and Overlord, in my opinion.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970662)
Posted by Randomhero on July 12th, 2018 @ 7:47pm CDT
Overlord was never a main character. He was a side story. Roberts made him stupid powerful and indestructible which led to “well why do you do with him?” He had more right to be concluded in a wrecker story than this series
Posted by Randomhero on July 12th, 2018 @ 7:47pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:Since we're in the Lost Light thread, my answer will pertain to MTMTE/LL only. And the 2 characters who were most grossly misused were Ultra Magnus and Overlord, in my opinion.
Overlord was never a main character. He was a side story. Roberts made him stupid powerful and indestructible which led to “well why do you do with him?” He had more right to be concluded in a wrecker story than this series
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970663)
Posted by Randomhero on July 12th, 2018 @ 7:49pm CDT
Isn’t that scourge in 99% media? He’s just the lackey of the trio. hHe was in the the cartoon, headmasters, marvel and UK marvel . McCarthy had plans for him but hasbro(not IDW) said no to them.
Posted by Randomhero on July 12th, 2018 @ 7:49pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm not really talking about comparisons between previous runs either, that is subjective. I'm purely referring to representation within IDWverse. Scourge was my number two choice also. His entire appearance from Heart of Darkness to CHAOS was a complete mess. I ultimately equate it to: They had plans for Cyclonus and eventual plans for Galvatron, Scourge was the odd one out.
Isn’t that scourge in 99% media? He’s just the lackey of the trio. hHe was in the the cartoon, headmasters, marvel and UK marvel . McCarthy had plans for him but hasbro(not IDW) said no to them.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970668)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 12th, 2018 @ 9:58pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 12th, 2018 @ 9:58pm CDT
My point exactly.Randomhero wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Since we're in the Lost Light thread, my answer will pertain to MTMTE/LL only. And the 2 characters who were most grossly misused were Ultra Magnus and Overlord, in my opinion.
Overlord was never a main character. He was a side story.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970684)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 2:28am CDT
What plans did he have?
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 2:28am CDT
Randomhero wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm not really talking about comparisons between previous runs either, that is subjective. I'm purely referring to representation within IDWverse. Scourge was my number two choice also. His entire appearance from Heart of Darkness to CHAOS was a complete mess. I ultimately equate it to: They had plans for Cyclonus and eventual plans for Galvatron, Scourge was the odd one out.
Isn’t that scourge in 99% media? He’s just the lackey of the trio. hHe was in the the cartoon, headmasters, marvel and UK marvel . McCarthy had plans for him but hasbro(not IDW) said no to them.
What plans did he have?
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970690)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 3:49am CDT
So we're calling G1, upto 1991 (at the latest for Marvel UK) "99%" of media now? I mean they've all had toys name after them since but Scourge, as he was traditionally depicted, had been absent for a long time.
Likewise depending on when it was written in G1 comics, Scourge was been depicted as the brains and Cyclonus the lackey, but that is semantics. At the end of the day he is part of The Iconic Trinity of Transformers.
Galvatron got a reinvention in IDW. Cyclonus, much like Ultra Magnus got Two reinventions, contentious as they are. Meanwhile next to nothing new was done with Scourge. Even the idea of the Sweeps were botched, as they appeared out of thin air because a writer was too lazy to give Galvatron an army of individuals in CHAOS.
Plus you can't really dismiss Scourge's lack of exposure/development as because he is just a lackey. meanwhile Runabout, Runamuck and even one and done Ramjet got more time to shine than he did and they are all nobodies.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 3:49am CDT
Randomhero wrote:Isn’t that scourge in 99% media?
So we're calling G1, upto 1991 (at the latest for Marvel UK) "99%" of media now? I mean they've all had toys name after them since but Scourge, as he was traditionally depicted, had been absent for a long time.
Likewise depending on when it was written in G1 comics, Scourge was been depicted as the brains and Cyclonus the lackey, but that is semantics. At the end of the day he is part of The Iconic Trinity of Transformers.
Galvatron got a reinvention in IDW. Cyclonus, much like Ultra Magnus got Two reinventions, contentious as they are. Meanwhile next to nothing new was done with Scourge. Even the idea of the Sweeps were botched, as they appeared out of thin air because a writer was too lazy to give Galvatron an army of individuals in CHAOS.
Plus you can't really dismiss Scourge's lack of exposure/development as because he is just a lackey. meanwhile Runabout, Runamuck and even one and done Ramjet got more time to shine than he did and they are all nobodies.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970693)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 4:50am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 4:50am CDT
I think hasbro has changed the definition of the trinity and who they are now as I think it could be prime, bee and megs 
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970694)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 5:01am CDT
They are not that kind of Trinity, the DC kind. They are a trio of linked characters. Synonymous with each other.
The irony of this image, eh?
Even their concept art was drawn together
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 5:01am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I think hasbro has changed the definition of the trinity and who they are now as I think it could be prime, bee and megs
They are not that kind of Trinity, the DC kind. They are a trio of linked characters. Synonymous with each other.The irony of this image, eh?
Even their concept art was drawn together
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970698)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 5:50am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 5:50am CDT
Then maybe hasbro decided that it was time to break it? Take things in a new direction. I mean why should that be kept? Next you'll be arguing that prime and megs should be kept (my tongue is firmly in cheek here, I know how you feel about those two being trotted out again and again, so I'm just a little confused as to why you think this trinity matters)
(my tongue is firmly in cheek here, I know how you feel about those two being trotted out again and again, so I'm just a little confused as to why you think this trinity matters)
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970701)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 5:54am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 5:54am CDT
Because I like Scourge and I think someone could really do something different and interesting with him and the Sweeps concept. Which no one has since his debut. Considering how they really reinvented Thunderwing, Arcee etc it is such a missed opportunity to one of the most visually unique Transformers to just say "New IDWverse, same old Scourge".
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970708)
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 6:50am CDT
Because there really isn’t much to do with him. dreamwave tried. They introduced him in war and peace and it was “holy crap scourge!? In 2002!? And he’s not affiliated with unicron?!” One year later: NOPE! Spawn of unicron nothing truly special. Sweeps? Nope spawns of unicron
In defense of IDW they did do something different and interesting wth scourge and the sweeps. He’s an ancient cybertronian. Made the sweeps Galvatron a army and none of it was connected with Unicron.
If you’re wanting different they did. Whether you like it or not they did do something different with them.
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 6:50am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Because I like Scourge and I think someone could really do something different and interesting with him and the Sweeps concept. Which no one has since his debut. Considering how they really reinvented Thunderwing, Arcee etc it is such a missed opportunity to one of the most visually unique Transformers to just say "New IDWverse, same old Scourge".
Because there really isn’t much to do with him. dreamwave tried. They introduced him in war and peace and it was “holy crap scourge!? In 2002!? And he’s not affiliated with unicron?!” One year later: NOPE! Spawn of unicron nothing truly special. Sweeps? Nope spawns of unicron
In defense of IDW they did do something different and interesting wth scourge and the sweeps. He’s an ancient cybertronian. Made the sweeps Galvatron a army and none of it was connected with Unicron.
If you’re wanting different they did. Whether you like it or not they did do something different with them.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970709)
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 7:09am CDT
Their concept and everything is made together the same reason the 86 autobots is. They were the new toys. The only new Decepticons in the movie and the sweeps were just the seekers with a different look. How many seekers popped up in season one? So many genetics. They just decided by the movie to make them identical to save animation costs.
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 7:09am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I think hasbro has changed the definition of the trinity and who they are now as I think it could be prime, bee and megs
The irony of this image, eh?
Even their concept art was drawn together
Their concept and everything is made together the same reason the 86 autobots is. They were the new toys. The only new Decepticons in the movie and the sweeps were just the seekers with a different look. How many seekers popped up in season one? So many genetics. They just decided by the movie to make them identical to save animation costs.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970711)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 7:19am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 7:19am CDT
Quite an ingenious idea and saved them a bit of time. Still, the closest idea I could think of giving scourge a new lease of life is to say that there was only one of him but in an effort to create an immortal spark and body to match, started experimenting on himself. He does have a sort of alchemist look after all. This is how the sweeps came into being as clones he uses to share his mind between. Sort of a transformers ultron in some regard
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970712)
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 7:21am CDT
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 7:21am CDT
But to get back on track in a way and since this is a lost light thread the one character I’ve never enjoyed in the series sadly is Rodimus. He’s awful. Roberts took everything written for him in costas ongoing and threw it out the window. You can say how much you hate costas ongoing but he was a damn good character writer when it came to the second half of his run. Yes the first year of the ongoing is rough but I won’t say a bad thing about year two. It’s where mike shined.
Rodimus was a good character in the ongoing. He started out selfish and reckless but by the end he earned his name, rank and trust as Optimus’s second in command by chaos. He grew as a character. You saw him go from telling Optimus off to believing he could be a prime to abandoning everyone just to get back to matrix to show he’s great and then dying, coming back and seeing ironhide and group on Cybertron to show him the wrongs he’s commited.
MTMTE ignored all that and made him an uncharismatic character again who was selfish and reckless all over again that got crew memeber killed on more occasions it should have and every arc that had a tragedy it “no more. No more distraction, no more deaths. We save lives” next issue, it’s like that conversation never happened.
I wish I could say the moment Getaway makes his point. And Rodimus looks legitimately shocked and then goes in to save Getaway made me feel something but we’ve had similar scenes for 80 issues.
Rodimus was a good character in the ongoing. He started out selfish and reckless but by the end he earned his name, rank and trust as Optimus’s second in command by chaos. He grew as a character. You saw him go from telling Optimus off to believing he could be a prime to abandoning everyone just to get back to matrix to show he’s great and then dying, coming back and seeing ironhide and group on Cybertron to show him the wrongs he’s commited.
MTMTE ignored all that and made him an uncharismatic character again who was selfish and reckless all over again that got crew memeber killed on more occasions it should have and every arc that had a tragedy it “no more. No more distraction, no more deaths. We save lives” next issue, it’s like that conversation never happened.
I wish I could say the moment Getaway makes his point. And Rodimus looks legitimately shocked and then goes in to save Getaway made me feel something but we’ve had similar scenes for 80 issues.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970718)
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 8:15am CDT
And it worked. I have 4 generations scourges and 4 titans return scourges and one legends Scourge.
My own personal fanon of the sweeps is Scourge is an outlier that can copy his template to protoforms and legitimate clone himself. They don’t have sparks they’re just drones but he’s mentally connected to
All of them. It was an idea I came up with when I was a kid for Cyclonus to finally have his armada but eventually went to Scourge. This was way before the term outlier was conceived by Roberts, I just called it an ability.
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 8:15am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Quite an ingenious idea and saved them a bit of time. Still, the closest idea I could think of giving scourge a new lease of life is to say that there was only one of him but in an effort to create an immortal spark and body to match, started experimenting on himself. He does have a sort of alchemist look after all. This is how the sweeps came into being as clones he uses to share his mind between. Sort of a transformers ultron in some regard
And it worked. I have 4 generations scourges and 4 titans return scourges and one legends Scourge.
My own personal fanon of the sweeps is Scourge is an outlier that can copy his template to protoforms and legitimate clone himself. They don’t have sparks they’re just drones but he’s mentally connected to
All of them. It was an idea I came up with when I was a kid for Cyclonus to finally have his armada but eventually went to Scourge. This was way before the term outlier was conceived by Roberts, I just called it an ability.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970734)
Posted by AlphaBass on July 13th, 2018 @ 9:03am CDT
Posted by AlphaBass on July 13th, 2018 @ 9:03am CDT
I mean, Shockwave had that ability, though it was only expanded upon in the Transformers: Devastation game.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970739)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 9:31am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 9:31am CDT
The way you describe his ability makes me think of agent Smith in the matrix reloaded, which could be another concept for the character...or insecticons. Having characters bitten and then slowly having codes rewritten, being re-formatted forcibly.
As for rodimus, I cant sat I was bugged too much about his character. With rodimus I always found it jarring how he was handled in season 3 of the toon compared to the movie
As for rodimus, I cant sat I was bugged too much about his character. With rodimus I always found it jarring how he was handled in season 3 of the toon compared to the movie
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970761)
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 11:08am CDT
Which is crazy to think that half of season three was already produced when the movie came out and they actually wrote him that way not knowing kids didn’t like him and wanted Optimus back. It makes sense if you strictly look at him as a young, inexperienced leader that is learning but man, Rodimus has some bad moments.
I totally understand I’m on my own with how Rodimus was portrayed in MTMTE/LL and totally respect people who don’t agree with me but I am someone who is enjoy costas ongoing by the end. Yes the first arc is rough and I did almost drop it after issue three but issue four with thundercracker got me to stay and the second volume International Incident is bad but right after with rodimus infiltrating the Decepticons to retrieve the matrix till his final issue I loved.
Some of my enjoyment probably comes from listening to some interviews he did for the underbase podcast. During the revenge of the Decepticons story he was so full of energy and really liked writing the book. Mike Costa is a transformers fan. And then when the final issue of chaos came out they had him back and the dude just sounded broken. He got crapped on so bad and fans were not afraid to hit behind their social media and forums telling him how much they hated him and his series. I felt for him. He’s a good dude and a good writer but he was being given some bad directions by editor Andy Schmidt. Costa was suppose to do MTMTE. He came up with the idea of a quest for the Knights of Cybertron but halfway through Chaos he said “I’m done. I don’t want write for transformers anymore.” The dude sounded defeated and those podcasts were only 6-8 months apart.
Maybe my enjoyment for some writing is empathy but I did enjoy some of those stories and the characterization some were given.
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 11:08am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:The way you describe his ability makes me think of agent Smith in the matrix reloaded, which could be another concept for the character...or insecticons. Having characters bitten and then slowly having codes rewritten, being re-formatted forcibly.
As for rodimus, I cant sat I was bugged too much about his character. With rodimus I always found it jarring how he was handled in season 3 of the toon compared to the movie
Which is crazy to think that half of season three was already produced when the movie came out and they actually wrote him that way not knowing kids didn’t like him and wanted Optimus back. It makes sense if you strictly look at him as a young, inexperienced leader that is learning but man, Rodimus has some bad moments.
I totally understand I’m on my own with how Rodimus was portrayed in MTMTE/LL and totally respect people who don’t agree with me but I am someone who is enjoy costas ongoing by the end. Yes the first arc is rough and I did almost drop it after issue three but issue four with thundercracker got me to stay and the second volume International Incident is bad but right after with rodimus infiltrating the Decepticons to retrieve the matrix till his final issue I loved.
Some of my enjoyment probably comes from listening to some interviews he did for the underbase podcast. During the revenge of the Decepticons story he was so full of energy and really liked writing the book. Mike Costa is a transformers fan. And then when the final issue of chaos came out they had him back and the dude just sounded broken. He got crapped on so bad and fans were not afraid to hit behind their social media and forums telling him how much they hated him and his series. I felt for him. He’s a good dude and a good writer but he was being given some bad directions by editor Andy Schmidt. Costa was suppose to do MTMTE. He came up with the idea of a quest for the Knights of Cybertron but halfway through Chaos he said “I’m done. I don’t want write for transformers anymore.” The dude sounded defeated and those podcasts were only 6-8 months apart.
Maybe my enjoyment for some writing is empathy but I did enjoy some of those stories and the characterization some were given.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970767)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 11:38am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 11:38am CDT
Everything you needed to know about Hot Rod/Rodimus was in his Spotlight. His impulsive nature, his sense of guilt etc All of the MTMTE/LL stuff I've read has been regurgitating the character development, growth and complexity covered in a one shot from 2006.
As for Costa's run Space Opera, particularly the interplay between Wheelie and Hot Rod, was the only positive of that run.
As For Scourge:
No, IDW didn't do anything new or interesting with Scourge. He was an ancient Cybertronian? True. So was Galvatron, Cyclonus etc In contrast there was no Spotlight: Scourge. In fact there was no new characterisation at all. Look back on how Scourge is "reformatted" and the Sweeps were formed, it's the laziest written shite in the world.
All Hail Megatron #14
Basically McCarthy saying "Look it's Scourge! Don't you remember?" and the Sweeps just pop into being for the same reason.
There was no character work whatsoever by IDW. Even more ironic when you consider all the work they threw into the former blank slate that was Thundercracker aka he who would become Scourge in G1. They gave new personalities to Galvatron and Cyclonus and Scourge was left as a fan service visual.
Wait! there was some character development, The Sweep army were cannibals, I almost forgot that
The business and marketing side of things are largely irrelevant when discussing lore and canon though. The point of the concept image was that they were made in scale to each other. Whether a cynical view now dismisses that as "they are the new toys" is beside the point. They existed in tandem from day one.
To me, there are so many avenues to explore through Scourge. As I've mentioned before, they never went into how the Insecticon Cloning tech works and by extension Scourge and his Sweeps. A Hive Mind? Are they all clones or is Scourge different on some level? Can Scourge shift his consciousness to other Sweeps?
You could explore these themes, as well as those of identity IE How does being around clones affect your grip on reality, your sense of self?
As for Costa's run Space Opera, particularly the interplay between Wheelie and Hot Rod, was the only positive of that run.
As For Scourge:
Randomhero wrote:Because there really isn’t much to do with him. dreamwave tried. They introduced him in war and peace and it was “holy crap scourge!? In 2002!? And he’s not affiliated with unicron?!” One year later: NOPE! Spawn of unicron nothing truly special. Sweeps? Nope spawns of unicron
In defense of IDW they did do something different and interesting wth scourge and the sweeps. He’s an ancient cybertronian. Made the sweeps Galvatron a army and none of it was connected with Unicron.
If you’re wanting different they did. Whether you like it or not they did do something different with them.
No, IDW didn't do anything new or interesting with Scourge. He was an ancient Cybertronian? True. So was Galvatron, Cyclonus etc In contrast there was no Spotlight: Scourge. In fact there was no new characterisation at all. Look back on how Scourge is "reformatted" and the Sweeps were formed, it's the laziest written shite in the world.
All Hail Megatron #14
Basically McCarthy saying "Look it's Scourge! Don't you remember?" and the Sweeps just pop into being for the same reason.
There was no character work whatsoever by IDW. Even more ironic when you consider all the work they threw into the former blank slate that was Thundercracker aka he who would become Scourge in G1. They gave new personalities to Galvatron and Cyclonus and Scourge was left as a fan service visual.
Wait! there was some character development, The Sweep army were cannibals, I almost forgot that
Randomhero wrote:Their concept and everything is made together the same reason the 86 autobots is. They were the new toys. The only new Decepticons in the movie and the sweeps were just the seekers with a different look. How many seekers popped up in season one? So many genetics. They just decided by the movie to make them identical to save animation costs.
The business and marketing side of things are largely irrelevant when discussing lore and canon though. The point of the concept image was that they were made in scale to each other. Whether a cynical view now dismisses that as "they are the new toys" is beside the point. They existed in tandem from day one.
To me, there are so many avenues to explore through Scourge. As I've mentioned before, they never went into how the Insecticon Cloning tech works and by extension Scourge and his Sweeps. A Hive Mind? Are they all clones or is Scourge different on some level? Can Scourge shift his consciousness to other Sweeps?
You could explore these themes, as well as those of identity IE How does being around clones affect your grip on reality, your sense of self?
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970772)
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:08pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:08pm CDT
McCarthy didn’t bring Scourge into the IDW. Andy Schmidt did. The editor of transformers at the time. He wrote that issue of All Hail Megatron. Same guy who gave Galvatrons ability survive outside the dead universe longer than anyone to cyclonus and admitted he forgot who had that ability. Same guy I’ve said before admitted he didn’t even read the books he was editor of because “we didn’t read them at marvel”
Like I’ve said a Scourge has always been portrayed as a lackey in almost all previous fiction. Could more be done? Sure but that could be said about anyone. Could make Squawkbox into a leader of Decepticons for anyone cares.
End of the day barber didn’t want to do anything with him so he killed him off which was probably a good cal because it came to be one of the factors that drove Cyclonus to leave Cybertron and join the Lost Light. In some ways excluding him-while unfortunate- kinda helped In certain ways.
Like I’ve said a Scourge has always been portrayed as a lackey in almost all previous fiction. Could more be done? Sure but that could be said about anyone. Could make Squawkbox into a leader of Decepticons for anyone cares.
End of the day barber didn’t want to do anything with him so he killed him off which was probably a good cal because it came to be one of the factors that drove Cyclonus to leave Cybertron and join the Lost Light. In some ways excluding him-while unfortunate- kinda helped In certain ways.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970774)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:12pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:12pm CDT
That's why, bring it back, it is fair to say scourge got screwed over in IDW. Because, unlike Cyclonus and Galvatron, he was unwanted and it showed.
As an aside, I posed this question in the LL thread, as opposed to the OP one, as this thread tends to have more footfall.
As an aside, I posed this question in the LL thread, as opposed to the OP one, as this thread tends to have more footfall.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970779)
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:28pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:28pm CDT
I don’t think it was unwanted I think it came down to no one knew what to do with him in a post war themed series. Cyclonus was already very well established before RiD/MTMTE and Galvatron was “killed off” by the end of chaos. I think it just came down to “I don’t have a place for him in my stories” which is honestly fine with me.
You really want to talk about screwed over on this thread let’s talk about how when MTMTE/LL when it launched and how James Roberts wanted 200 characters for the crew of the lost light and focused on less than 20 of them forcing the other 180 being background characters that no other series could use. Characters that could have been used in RID/TF/OP but instead had to be used in backgrounds and never used to any extent.
That’s more of a shame than someone like Scourge
You really want to talk about screwed over on this thread let’s talk about how when MTMTE/LL when it launched and how James Roberts wanted 200 characters for the crew of the lost light and focused on less than 20 of them forcing the other 180 being background characters that no other series could use. Characters that could have been used in RID/TF/OP but instead had to be used in backgrounds and never used to any extent.
That’s more of a shame than someone like Scourge
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970780)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:29pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:29pm CDT
That's also an issue with IDWverse as a whole, not just MTMTE/LL.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970781)
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:37pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:37pm CDT
Problem is so many characters so little page space and a fickle fan based, some of which will bolt whenever they focus on a character they don't like, or disagree because a character did something that they wouldn't of in the g1 cartoon (I wish people would stop comparing everything to that and expecting all characters to act just as they did in that one interpretation).
Thus is why I advocate a anthology series every few months or so featuring characters and stories that would never see the light if day in an ongoing. Bring in new writers and let them cut their teeth, same with artists.
Thus is why I advocate a anthology series every few months or so featuring characters and stories that would never see the light if day in an ongoing. Bring in new writers and let them cut their teeth, same with artists.
Re: Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #20 (1970787)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:48pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 13th, 2018 @ 12:48pm CDT
By the same token, if anything other continuities were more diverse with the roster. G1 would throw the spotlight on Carnivac, the blood feud between Swoop and Divebomb etc
Other than Prime/Megatron, both Beast Wars and Unicron Trilogy were new casts. There comes a point, wherein trying to appease an often petulant first generation fanbase, you need to realise they aren't a majority. The Geewunners didn't spend millions on Bayformers. They don't buy all the toys, video games etc
They are a loud minority.
Listen to them, sure. But don't let a series more that 30 years old be dictated by them. As I've said before, Mattel learned that lesson the hard way with He-Man's last revival.
Other than Prime/Megatron, both Beast Wars and Unicron Trilogy were new casts. There comes a point, wherein trying to appease an often petulant first generation fanbase, you need to realise they aren't a majority. The Geewunners didn't spend millions on Bayformers. They don't buy all the toys, video games etc
They are a loud minority.
Listen to them, sure. But don't let a series more that 30 years old be dictated by them. As I've said before, Mattel learned that lesson the hard way with He-Man's last revival.
