New Images of Gentei Ghost Starscream

That's pretty dope.

I cannot wait!

Also, these Million Publishing exclusives are giving me a real clear TF fetish.

I think clear blue Mirage from Botcon '07 is on my list next.

EDIT: And Detectus.

I'm kind of stupid about exclusives. Could one of you more savvy collectors possibly hint where I will be able to order this (omg I WANT IT) figure?

HK, oh, sorry about the drool.

Awesome! I love the look of transparent/translucent figures.

hellkitty wrote:I'm kind of stupid about exclusives. Could one of you more savvy collectors possibly hint where I will be able to order this (omg I WANT IT) figure?

HK, oh, sorry about the drool.

BigBadToyStore has him available for preorder:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

Razorclaw0000 wrote:EDIT: And Detectus.

He's tricky yo.

God knows why, but he is.

I'm really looking forward to this-a lot! This will complete my Henkei/Classics seekers shelves quite nicely. Despite the gray bits, it looks great.

That's so awesome.

You see, here's the thing: I got no qualms with shelling out 910 bucks for this most awesome looking figure, but if the mold degradation hit so hard on the Henkei Coneheads to the point where the blasters barely stayed on their shoulders, what about this one?

I'd hate to pay that much to a figure I'd have to "adjust" after buying just to get it to pose right.

Looks nice...Its a shame these greedy asian companys cant sell them for what theyre worth: $12.99 plus a modest shipping and handling fee. These $100 prices are an insult to fans who have kept transformers alive for over 25 years.

This is one of the few preorders I've kept lately. Really looking forward to it.

Rated X wrote:Looks nice...Its a shame these greedy asian companys cant sell them for what theyre worth: $12.99 plus a modest shipping and handling fee. These $100 prices are an insult to fans who have kept transformers alive for over 25 years.

sigh...

Counterpunch wrote:

Rated X wrote:Looks nice...Its a shame these greedy asian companys cant sell them for what theyre worth: $12.99 plus a modest shipping and handling fee. These $100 prices are an insult to fans who have kept transformers alive for over 25 years.

sigh...

Next he'll say it's ruined forever!

I would love to own a Ghost Starscream, but I bet this deluxe toy costs as much as Devastator. (The most I ever spent on a figure) I mean like seriously, I wouldnt mind spending $20-$35 dollars each for all the deluxe seekers, but it seems they are not trying to market these toys to the average collector. I know there is no shortage of plastic or cheap labor in the Eastern Hemisphere. (MADE IN TAIWAN/DOLLAR STORES) I think all fans should boycott Henkei, Tarka, Gentai, etc. If they see nobody in the USA buying for the holidays, maybe we will see a drop in prices next year. No disrespect to those who choose to pay high prices, but I got bills to pay and these prices are not collecter friendly.

I have no problem whatsoever paying $90-$100 for an exclusive. Why? Because A)They go beyond that value, over time, B) They're limited production, and very high demand.

It helps to understand if you actually comprehend economics...limited supply + high demand = high cost, and I could easily see these costing even more, but they don't.

I have a question for the folks interested in this figure; as with Electro Disruptor Ligier and Henkei Strafe, I intend to keep them MISB, and purchase the regular version to pose next to it. In Starscream's case, do you recommend the Henkei or Universe/Classics version, and why?

Thanks.

magnusalpha wrote:I have a question for the folks interested in this figure; as with Electro Disruptor Ligier and Henkei Strafe, I intend to keep them MISB, and purchase the regular version to pose next to it. In Starscream's case, do you recommend the Henkei or Universe/Classics version, and why?

Thanks.

Well, alot of collectors are and are not fans of chrome on figs. Most of the naysayers argue that overtime it dimishes and all that. I personally love my Henkei Starscream, but I also have the US 2nd release which is the spitting paint scheme of MP Screamer the walmart version and it just looks so good to me. So either way you're doing okay, just make sure you don't get the first US run one.

Rated X wrote:Looks nice...Its a shame these greedy asian companys cant sell them for what theyre worth: $12.99 plus a modest shipping and handling fee. These $100 prices are an insult to fans who have kept transformers alive for over 25 years.

Education time.

1) This figure is not mass release, in Japan or the US
2) This figure is made in limited quantities, which means that the profit-per-unit must be higher
3) This figure is only available to japanese citizens who have
--a) Bought Generations vol 2
--b) Filled out a form and attach about $45 USD-worth of yen
4) Importers have to go through special conenctions to get these figs
5) Importers pay import costs, expect RobotKingdom, with is located in Hong Kong, thus the buyer picks up the extra shipping.

So I've outlined why this costs what it does. Where exactly do you get your $12.99 amount from?

Mkall wrote:

Rated X wrote:Looks nice...Its a shame these greedy asian companys cant sell them for what theyre worth: $12.99 plus a modest shipping and handling fee. These $100 prices are an insult to fans who have kept transformers alive for over 25 years.

Education time.

1) This figure is not mass release, in Japan or the US
2) This figure is made in limited quantities, which means that the profit-per-unit must be higher
3) This figure is only available to japanese citizens who have
--a) Bought Generations vol 2
--b) Filled out a form and attach about $45 USD-worth of yen
4) Importers have to go through special conenctions to get these figs
5) Importers pay import costs, expect RobotKingdom, with is located in Hong Kong, thus the buyer picks up the extra shipping.

So I've outlined why this costs what it does. Where exactly do you get your $12.99 amount from?

He thinks it's just a regular Deluxe-size figure, which costs about $12.99 everywhere I've seen them.

Great points, by the way. I was aware of all that, but in my response to his post I over-generalized.

Hopefully my BBTS preorders from months ago will go through. Can't wait for this figure, as I missed the exclusive Clear Starscream a while back.

Rated X wrote:Looks nice...Its a shame these greedy asian companys cant sell them for what theyre worth: $12.99 plus a modest shipping and handling fee. These $100 prices are an insult to fans who have kept transformers alive for over 25 years.

It's an exclusive, and no one is forcing you to buy it.

My Strafe and Ligiers just showed up in the mail today, and it whet my appetite for this to come out. Looks great.

Rated X, what is the fun of collecting something if everyone can just walk up and have anything and everything they want? There isn't. There's chase, anticipation, passion, fun, failure, dispair, blood, sweat and tears involved in trying to make a collection that you want. You can't change the market, you can only do what you are willing to do to collect something. Sometimes it might mean saving for something rare. Sometimes it means just looking, and never having, but pining away, and hoping. We all suffer from it, but that's why we all love it.

I hope at some point you are able to get one at a price you feel is appropriate (but not down right ridiculous), but it will take time, patience, and work.

tigertracks 24 wrote:My Strafe and Ligiers just showed up in the mail today, and it whet my appetite for this to come out. Looks great.

Rated X, what is the fun of collecting something if everyone can just walk up and have anything and everything they want? There isn't. There's chase, anticipation, passion, fun, failure, dispair, blood, sweat and tears involved in trying to make a collection that you want. You can't change the market, you can only do what you are willing to do to collect something. Sometimes it might mean saving for something rare. Sometimes it means just looking, and never having, but pining away, and hoping. We all suffer from it, but that's why we all love it.

I hope at some point you are able to get one at a price you feel is appropriate (but not down right ridiculous), but it will take time, patience, and work.

my sentiments exactly, but you forgot to put divorce in your list

I'm in the group of people who would love to own these kinds of exclusive versions of figures(they look cool and that's my main motivation for Transformers collecting, they look cool to me) but I just don't want to part with $100 for the figure but at the same time, I'm not saying it isn't worth $100.

You can't call foul on this type of item without doing the same for all the other "exclusive" items out there that have similarly increased pricing. The history of people who buy exclusive items justify the cost because as long as people are willing to pay these prices then manufacturers will continue to produce exclusives from time to time.

This is for a niche market, that's all.

I know this is off-topic but I just got the idea. FansProject should do a translucent run of D.I.A./Powered Commander to attach to Crystal Convoy. That would look amazing sitting next to Ghost Screamer and Electro Lieger. just a thought(MAKE IT HAPPEN FP PLEASE!!!)

Forgotten wrote:I know this is off-topic but I just got the idea. FansProject should do a translucent run of D.I.A./Powered Commander to attach to Crystal Convoy. That would look amazing sitting next to Ghost Screamer and Electro Lieger. just a thought(MAKE IT HAPPEN FP PLEASE!!!)

How about a shattered glass version as well?
However, if thats the case it will cost a bomb, and probably a trailer without the truck. Because the trucks are so limited in the first place.

Damn it, I just got Strafe. Don't make me buy this too. Can Gentei go on hold for a little while please?

Forgotten wrote:I know this is off-topic but I just got the idea. FansProject should do a translucent run of D.I.A./Powered Commander to attach to Crystal Convoy. That would look amazing sitting next to Ghost Screamer and Electro Lieger. just a thought(MAKE IT HAPPEN FP PLEASE!!!)

It would be cool but the price tag would probably give me a heart attack, hehe.

Forgotten wrote:I know this is off-topic but I just got the idea. FansProject should do a translucent run of D.I.A./Powered Commander to attach to Crystal Convoy. That would look amazing sitting next to Ghost Screamer and Electro Lieger. just a thought(MAKE IT HAPPEN FP PLEASE!!!)

I don't have Crystal Convoy, but I'd buy this anyways.

shonenfan4 wrote:

Forgotten wrote:I know this is off-topic but I just got the idea. FansProject should do a translucent run of D.I.A./Powered Commander to attach to Crystal Convoy. That would look amazing sitting next to Ghost Screamer and Electro Lieger. just a thought(MAKE IT HAPPEN FP PLEASE!!!)

I don't have Crystal Convoy, but I'd buy this anyways.

Crystal Convoy is next on my list of Classics Prime molded figures to acquire. I've got Optimus, Magnus, and Nemesis. Unfortunately, Crystal Convoy is the most expensive of these

Hey guys, Thanks for all your input. I respect all your opinions.

All Im saying is these figures come from the same mold used to make the deluxe versions you find in walmart. As long as that mold still exists you can fill it with any color plastic you like and make as many as you want any time. Because of this factor, no figure is really "exclusive".

It's not the same as baseball cards or lithographs where you know the mold or master print has been destroyed for good. If one of those seeker molds disappeared from the factory and made it to China where copyrights are not enforced, we would see whole seeker gift sets (rain-makers and all) And they would be dirt cheap. And I know everyone here will be buying....me too ! If only I could get my hands on that mold, lol

Much respect to everyone on here.

Rated X

You definitely make valid points, Rated X. I mean if you really want to get down to it, the normal prices paid for what are basically plastic toys can be questionable. One could present points of argument like quality of construction, uniqueness or intricacy of design, and so on and so forth but it all comes down to subjective views on an item's worth.

Exclusives...they're a mixed bag for me. Like I posted earlier, while I'd love to have the Gentei figures, I don't want them enough to pay 5 times the price for a figure that has been painted differently or cast using different types of plastic.

However, at the same time, there are molds that I really like and I am seeking to buy every incarnation of figures from that mold. I've recently finished achieving my goal of getting RiD/Car Robots Landfill/Build King as well as the yellow Wal Mart exclusive and the Universe "Constructicon Devastator" Target exclusive. I paid retail pricing for Build King, less for the WM exclusive, and about 25% more for the Target exclusive. Objectively, aside from colour, having more than one set is redundant so buying more than one incarnation could be seen as wasting money. However, my enjoyment of the mold justifies for me buying all 3 sets. It's not quantifiable. The aesthetics appeal to me(I love chunky clunky robots), I really appreciate the design concept of the central hub component, the construction vehicle theme taps into my G1 Devastator fandom, and so on.

Looking at Ghost Starscream, Electro Disruptor Ligier, Crystal Convoy, and other such figures, I don't have similar levels of "reasons to buy" so I won't be forking over money for the figures but I can see why others would buy them.

If a transparent plastic version of Landfill/Build King was made, you better believe I'd be all over it.

Now regarding the point about being able to use a mold to create figures of various plastic compositions as long the mold exists, that's true, but again, these Gentei figures aren't produced at the same quantities as normal retail figures nor are they offered at the retail level. Fundamentally, they're the same figure but due to the limited number made, producers increase the price and people pay that price because they want the product.

Someone could steal the mold and make their own to sell at a low cost but it's unlikely to happen. If a mold was taken, I doubt that someone who would steal a mold for the purposes of selling their own product would be benevolent enough to sell something like a perfect Ghost Starscream at a cost near retail level. And I mean "perfect" in that not only does the thief have the original mold but they would also use the same quality metals and plastics in the manufacturing process and also have the same quality assurance for the production.

Very nice.

I'd like to see a ghost Masterpiece Starscream.

Rated X wrote:It's not the same as baseball cards or lithographs where you know the mold or master print has been destroyed for good. If one of those seeker molds disappeared from the factory and made it to China where copyrights are not enforced, we would see whole seeker gift sets (rain-makers and all) And they would be dirt cheap. And I know everyone here will be buying....me too ! If only I could get my hands on that mold, lol

Much respect to everyone on here.

Rated X

I never had much love for KOs, so if the molds were to end up in some factories that produces KOs, I wouldn't buy it.

Thanks guys. Well the deluxe seeker happens to be one of my favorite molds. But they (Jap Companies) really have had a monopoly on this particular mold. Theres a reason why so many guys with artistic talent are painting these things. (The Price)

As far as knock-offs, an original is always prefered. But if the figure is going to be on display with no wear and tear (child's play) the quality is not an issue to me personally. If it looks like a duck and it quacks, it must be a duck. lol.

These images are almost 5 months old. They went online in late April. See the link below.
http://www.allspark.com/content/view/4974/20

I swear on my life I dreamt about this figure a few days ago..