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Except for what looks like modified headlights and what looks like a change to the rear fender right behind the door, it looks exactly like CC Bumblebee.

I'm eager about the Camaro, Challenger, and new Boss Mustang.
I'm no Chevy guy, but it's better than toyota.
This is really nice looking, I never thought it's look so smooth in white.
Only thing is it looks as though he spoiler lip above the taillights is gone. I liked that thing.

The door handles are different too. The movie car had door handles that you only touched for the doors to open, they was flush with the body and almost flat, this version has a more generic type of looking handle. Mirrors are way different too.

Sonray wrote:The door handles are different too. The movie car had door handles that you only touched for the doors to open, they was flush with the body and almost flat, this version has a more generic type of looking handle. Mirrors are way different too.

Actually having seen one of the movie cars just 2 days ago, it's handles were just like every other part " a mock up". They weren't touch sensitive or anything, just pieces of billet to appear as handles from a distance.

And I guess the mirrors needed to be changed, they were a bit thin. Practicality over design here.

Only a matter of time until someone gets it a yellow repaint and some racing stripes....

Sherade wrote:I'm eager about the Camaro, Challenger, and new Boss Mustang.
I'm no Chevy guy, but it's better than toyota.
This is really nice looking, I never thought it's look so smooth in white.
Only thing is it looks as though he spoiler lip above the taillights is gone. I liked that thing.

How is it "better than Toyota"?

I mean, it's not like Toyota hasn't just set the record for the Nurburgring, which is the real test for how good a car is. And I doubt this will beat the Toyota on the Nurburgring.

GetterDragun wrote:How is it "better than Toyota"?
I mean, it's not like Toyota hasn't just set the record for the Nurburgring, which is the real test for how good a car is. And I doubt this will beat the Toyota on the Nurburgring.

I'm not even going to say anything. As soon as I open my mouth someone will go off on how I'm stupid and have no right talking. So I'll respect your views, drop it there.
Can we agree on that?

yummy, I'm gettin one. Is chevy gonna release a yellow and black paint job? Or am i gonna havta pony the extra dough?

It probably has something to do with the fact that sherade hates jap cars and tuners and only likes beefy american muscle.

Cant blame him but i like all cars...well as long as they are good that is. I dont hate american cars and prefer jap cars or vice versa, i like stuff from all continents.

Sonray wrote:It probably has something to do with the fact that sherade hates jap cars and tuners and only likes beefy american muscle.

Cant blame him but i like all cars...well as long as they are good that is. I dont hate american cars and prefer jap cars or vice versa, i like stuff from all continents.

I don't hate them, I hate the companies. In my eyes, no "bad car" exists. And it's not only Muscle Cars, I've called minivans and Big Rigs cool. I mean, muscle is part of it....fine, lots of it.
I just especially dislike Japanese companies,most always try to do something they're not, and when/if it works, blow it out of proportion. I'll admit American (and everyone else) does it as well, but it seems that it gets more than it's worth. European companies stay with what has worked, i.e Ferrari. Has Ferrari ever built trucks to compete? No. Because they found a groove, and look how it worked.

That wasn't anger, but just part of what I think.
I could write a book.

Sherade wrote:

Sonray wrote:It probably has something to do with the fact that sherade hates jap cars and tuners and only likes beefy american muscle.

Cant blame him but i like all cars...well as long as they are good that is. I dont hate american cars and prefer jap cars or vice versa, i like stuff from all continents.

I don't hate them, I hate the companies. In my eyes, no "bad car" exists. And it's not only Muscle Cars, I've called minivans and Big Rigs cool. I mean, muscle is part of it....fine, lots of it.
I just especially dislike Japanese companies,most always try to do something they're not, and when/if it works, blow it out of proportion. I'll admit American (and everyone else) does it as well, but it seems that it gets more than it's worth. European companies stay with what has worked, i.e Ferrari. Has Ferrari ever built trucks to compete? No. Because they found a groove, and look how it worked.

That wasn't anger, but just part of what I think.
I could write a book.

So you're mad that Toyota built Trucks to compete with American car companies?

Are you mad that Toyota hired all the Employees that GM and Ford laid off because of their mismanagement and stranglehold by the UAW?

Are you mad that GM is moving production to Mexico and China? If not, why are you mad that Honda and Toyota are builiding more and more cars in the US using US made parts?

So why are you saying Japanese car companies are trying to be something they're not. Cause they are succesful on all fronts? Cause they built the best family car, the best hybrid car, the best bang for the buck sports car and now they got truck of the year? Maybe American car companies should get off their ass and improve. Look at Ford, their European cars are awesome...Euro Ford Focus ahs an inline 5 cylinder turbo and looks awesome, our Focus, piece of shit.

Face it, if it wasn't for Japanese car manufacturers, there would almost be no more car manufacturing in the US.

GetterDragun wrote:

Sherade wrote:

Sonray wrote:It probably has something to do with the fact that sherade hates jap cars and tuners and only likes beefy american muscle.

Cant blame him but i like all cars...well as long as they are good that is. I dont hate american cars and prefer jap cars or vice versa, i like stuff from all continents.

I don't hate them, I hate the companies. In my eyes, no "bad car" exists. And it's not only Muscle Cars, I've called minivans and Big Rigs cool. I mean, muscle is part of it....fine, lots of it.
I just especially dislike Japanese companies,most always try to do something they're not, and when/if it works, blow it out of proportion. I'll admit American (and everyone else) does it as well, but it seems that it gets more than it's worth. European companies stay with what has worked, i.e Ferrari. Has Ferrari ever built trucks to compete? No. Because they found a groove, and look how it worked.

That wasn't anger, but just part of what I think.
I could write a book.

So you're mad that Toyota built Trucks to compete with American car companies?

Are you mad that Toyota hired all the Employees that GM and Ford laid off because of their mismanagement and stranglehold by the UAW?

Are you mad that GM is moving production to Mexico and China? If not, why are you mad that Honda and Toyota are builiding more and more cars in the US using US made parts?

So why are you saying Japanese car companies are trying to be something they're not. Cause they are succesful on all fronts? Cause they built the best family car, the best hybrid car, the best bang for the buck sports car and now they got truck of the year? Maybe American car companies should get off their ass and improve. Look at Ford, their European cars are awesome...Euro Ford Focus ahs an inline 5 cylinder turbo and looks awesome, our Focus, piece of shit.

Face it, if it wasn't for Japanese car manufacturers, there would almost be no more car manufacturing in the US.

The dude has a point there Sherade....besides whats so bad about making all types of cars instead of just one type of car that only a small group of people can afford, like Ferrari?

And he is right about euro fords too. When i moved to America for a couple of years i was astonished to hear so many horror and hate stories about ford cars because after growing up in Europe and my family mostly owning ford cars we rarely ever had a problem with them. They lasted forever, had simple engines and was easy to fix and everyone liked them. Then i moved to America and found out that they sucked big time. I get back to the UK a few years later and theres Ford with "car of the year" again and now i own my own Ford.

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Look. I said I wanted to avoid the argument, and this is what I was talking about. I was simply clarifying for myself.
If you can not respect that, well then I will lose the respect I have had for you.

Case in point:
American Ford Fusion:


European Ford Mondeo (same platform as Fusion):


American Focus:


European Focus:

You just can't understand, can you?
I want to avoid the argument.

BTW, I think they all look great, each has it's own style and lines, all of which I am satisfied with.

American Fusion: clasic, "not to fancy" muscle look, strong front end build but low profile. (Looks especially nice in black)
Euoropean Mondeo: Smooth lines and an aggresive stance on the road.
Focus: "Sharp" grill and headlight config., smooth profie and clean body shaping.
Euro-focus: Rally-car styling and Euro-Fords organic styling, great mix FTW.

Only thing that's a doowner focus-wise is how the US one (that is pitured) is 4-door. I don't like 4-doors so much, but it depends on the car.


Now, can we please drop this and will you just let it go?

Then don't post in car threads. If you are going to say "I hate Japanese cars, but will offer no reason why, so leave me alone." What do you expect?

I personally feel you are misinformed in whose actually profiting and which company benefits the American worker and am simply trying to give you the current picture of the Automotive Industry and not some 1978 version you are clinging on too. I'm not attacking you, just trying to educate.

The point of this thread however was not to get into a debate of domestic vs. foreign. It was merely to showcase the new camaro.

(Shameless plug) Btw I have a bunch of pictures from the S.D. Auto Show up. Theres a link in my thread about it. Talk car talk, link to your fav pics. have fun with it.

GetterDragun wrote:Then don't post in car threads. If you are going to say "I hate Japanese cars, but will offer no reason why, so leave me alone." What do you expect?

I personally feel you are misinformed in whose actually profiting and which company benefits the American worker and am simply trying to give you the current picture of the Automotive Industry and not some 1978 version you are clinging on too. I'm not attacking you, just trying to educate.

And I am very well aware of the "situation."
But that has no effect on what I beleive. I do not dislike the cars, for the lastr time, but the companies. And it isn't just Japanese, it's europe too. I just have more of a distaste for Japanese. There is a reason, and here it is. But before I get there, I want to point something out. I was looking around Mazda's line up and it seems as the CX-7 is taking vibes from Euro-Ford.

Yes, I'm aware Ford owns Mazda. I think if Ford will look at the CX-7, and think about it, they may have something with the styling of euro stateside (under their banner).
Anyhoo, back to the situation at hand.
Here is my reason. After you read it, say whatever you will, do whatever you want, but I'm not changing it. You may call it absurd, but I've learned that I don't have take on whatever I hear. I will imply accept it and move on.


You know what? Look back, at when Toyota, nissan, and god nows who else first came here. They made good cars, they did things wonderfully, and I can say I enjoy the older cars. They are great, look fine next to our own US vehicles, didn't try to go over the top. Enjoyment of cars was important. Sure, competition was everywhere, but was much underscored by the heart of the industry worldwide.
Now look. Everyone is fighting over "gas mileage". These foreign companies have turned around the way they were, and their cars, creating all this crap over fuel economy. Yes, it was urged by our findings in field of science, and US companies did the same, I am sure of that, but these others kept going. The market has become a war over who bulds the most "enviornmental" car, but that's not all of the argument.
I'm not going solely on the "now" perspective.
I am disgusted by seeing battles between our counries auto-makers with handling, performance, and in the case of trucks, stuff like traction, and load capacity. They've pushed so far into our market we feel we must fight them back. We even went into their territory to showthem up. I do not want to see less cars, no. But no one does what they used to. the industry itself has become about technicalities. No one makes a car becasue it's a good idea, because it's enjoyable. It's about money now. I know this would've happened anyway, but the competition from impoert companies has grown to speed up the process. I may be clinging to "1978" but at least there was hope and good cars then. But by 1980, this whole process started, and it's getting harder to accept even the American companies. Not that I want to look down on them, but it's like people don't matter anymore.
I don't care about "profit" or who's on top. I want to see a time where we can make cars worth buying, driving, and keeping. Not his mess we have now. And it seems US companies are trying hardest to do so.

Sherade wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:Then don't post in car threads. If you are going to say "I hate Japanese cars, but will offer no reason why, so leave me alone." What do you expect?

I personally feel you are misinformed in whose actually profiting and which company benefits the American worker and am simply trying to give you the current picture of the Automotive Industry and not some 1978 version you are clinging on too. I'm not attacking you, just trying to educate.

And I am very well aware of the "situation."
But that has no effect on what I beleive. I do not dislike the cars, for the lastr time, but the companies. And it isn't just Japanese, it's europe too. I just have more of a distaste for Japanese. There is a reason, and here it is. But before I get there, I want to point something out. I was looking around Mazda's line up and it seems as the CX-7 is taking vibes from Euro-Ford.

Yes, I'm aware Ford owns Mazda. I think if Ford will look at the CX-7, and think about it, they may have something with the styling of euro stateside (under their banner).
Anyhoo, back to the situation at hand.
Here is my reason. After you read it, say whatever you will, do whatever you want, but I'm not changing it. You may call it absurd, but I've learned that I don't have take on whatever I hear. I will imply accept it and move on.


You know what? Look back, at when Toyota, nissan, and god nows who else first came here. They made good cars, they did things wonderfully, and I can say I enjoy the older cars. They are great, look fine next to our own US vehicles, didn't try to go over the top. Enjoyment of cars was important. Sure, competition was everywhere, but was much underscored by the heart of the industry worldwide.
Now look. Everyone is fighting over "gas mileage". These foreign companies have turned around the way they were, and their cars, creating all this crap over fuel economy. Yes, it was urged by our findings in field of science, and US companies did the same, I am sure of that, but these others kept going. The market has become a war over who bulds the most "enviornmental" car, but that's not all of the argument.
I'm not going solely on the "now" perspective.
I am disgusted by seeing battles between our counries auto-makers with handling, performance, and in the case of trucks, stuff like traction, and load capacity. They've pushed so far into our market we feel we must fight them back. We even went into their territory to showthem up. I do not want to see less cars, no. But no one does what they used to. the industry itself has become about technicalities. No one makes a car becasue it's a good idea, because it's enjoyable. It's about money now. I know this would've happened anyway, but the competition from impoert companies has grown to speed up the process. I may be clinging to "1978" but at least there was hope and good cars then. But by 1980, this whole process started, and it's getting harder to accept even the American companies. Not that I want to look down on them, but it's like people don't matter anymore.
I don't care about "profit" or who's on top. I want to see a time where we can make cars worth buying, driving, and keeping. Not his mess we have now. And it seems US companies are trying hardest to do so.

Well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but that's all wrong. The whole mileage issue is because of the government. It's called the CAFE standards and it dictates the average MPG. Do you know that the government fined Chrysler 30 million last year? They also fine BMW, Porsche and many other manfucaturers (companies like Ferrari and Lamborghini are exempt because they sell less than 10,000 cars annualy).

Now if you're argument is that car companies don't make cars for the "fun of it". I don't see why you are singling out foreign cars, American cars are the worst offenders. Look at all of the fun cars out there...the Toyota Supra...a car that could handle 1000hp on the stock motor, but got axed because the people weren't interested in it. Then look at Subaru introducing the WRX a car that could keep up with a Porsche, and the list goes on and on. It hasn't been till like 2 or 3 years ago that American companies have made fun cars, like the SRT-4 or the Cobalt SS (Vette was always a cool car). The foreign companies proved that fun cars would sell, and now American car companies are learning and benefiting from it. Now look at the new GT-R. Nissan made a car that they really won't make much money on because the world (read all car enthusiasts) demanded it. That car is now considered one of the best bang for the bucks ever. 0-60 in 3.3 seconds in a car that can outhandle everycar in the world except for 3 (Porsche GT, Paganini Zonda, and the Lexus LF-A). and now because of this Chevy is releasing a 650hp Vette. So again, thanks to foreign companies pushing the envelope. Now if Ford would only get off their rear and do something good.

Well..i wouldnt say that competition is a bad thing, if there was no competition the car world would be a very boring place. And striving forward to make cars run cleaner isnt a bad thing either, as much as i dont care about it and prefer the power of a good old fashioned internal combustion engine it is something that NEEDS to change, along with a lot of other things not just in the car business but everything relating to energy and how we use it.

Hey, I'm glad my post was completely disregarded.

Sonray wrote:Well..i wouldnt say that competition is a bad thing, if there was no competition the car world would be a very boring place. And striving forward to make cars run cleaner isnt a bad thing either, as much as i dont care about it and prefer the power of a good old fashioned internal combustion engine it is something that NEEDS to change, along with a lot of other things not just in the car business but everything relating to energy and how we use it.

I agree. But the probem is is that governments stifle this sometimes. I think the government (particulary the US) should enforce CAFE standards for vehicles selling mor ethan X amount. That way every companies Camry equivalent will need to do 35 mpg, but low selling cars...typically performance cars can get away with lower gas mileage. Chevy has a new model coming out called the Volt which can revoultionize transportation as we know it...it can go 40 miles without burning a drop of fuel. Now that sounds short, but it does have a small engine to help out and for most commuters that would be fine. How cool would it be to have a Volt as a daily driver and a ZR-1 Corvette for the weekend? This is what sells cars...and more of them.

I know about the government, but they shouldn't interfere anyway. No one needs to fight over surpassing the MPG limit, it's not worth it.

Now, your and my definitions of fun cars differ.
There have been imports I've liked, such as the now dead Honda Prelude. That thing performed with little modification.
Also, the Nissan Z series was great since the Datsun days. Itr's not over-advertised, or plauged by all the hybrid wars and such. Even stock it's quite the car.
As for the Gt-R, I'm not hot on that. I know it's out of my price rnge, plus it doesn't seem like much can be done to modify it performance wise.
The corvette, you didn't even need to say it. It's awesome, but again out of my budget. I like cars I can afford, that I can modify and let loose like hell. (Speaking of which, seen Mothers' E85 fueled 1000Hp Chevelle? )
Anyhoo, on the SRT-4 an Cobalt, both are balanced little critters, great fodder for anyone looking for, no, any customizer at all!
About the inspriation deal, I think that "fun cars" selling is what happened way back when hot rodding first hit. Then we just made it stock. So, it really wasn't the industry, but the people at home. And America started it, with everyone in and out of the states soon seeing it's potential.
As for handling, it's all in the driver. You get a feel for the car, stick it, do what i wants, let it drive you. Then you control it in return.
Remember Bobby B?
The car picks the driver. It may take a while, but the right cr will find you....wait..that's not what we're talking about.
For Ford, we know they can do it, but they keep trying to push wha they have.
The concept and prototype cars are almost always great ideas, but never make it past that.
So there.
Can we get back to talking about the new Camaro?

GetterDragun wrote:

Sonray wrote:Well..i wouldnt say that competition is a bad thing, if there was no competition the car world would be a very boring place. And striving forward to make cars run cleaner isnt a bad thing either, as much as i dont care about it and prefer the power of a good old fashioned internal combustion engine it is something that NEEDS to change, along with a lot of other things not just in the car business but everything relating to energy and how we use it.

I agree. But the probem is is that governments stifle this sometimes. I think the government (particulary the US) should enforce CAFE standards for vehicles selling mor ethan X amount. That way every companies Camry equivalent will need to do 35 mpg, but low selling cars...typically performance cars can get away with lower gas mileage. Chevy has a new model coming out called the Volt which can revoultionize transportation as we know it...it can go 40 miles without burning a drop of fuel. Now that sounds short, but it does have a small engine to help out and for most commuters that would be fine. How cool would it be to have a Volt as a daily driver and a ZR-1 Corvette for the weekend? This is what sells cars...and more of them.

Trouble is the government, especially the US doesnt care. They are gonna milk the internal combustion engine until literally every oil reserve is run dry. Why? Money and greed. Did you know there was an electric car made many years ago by an american company that was so good it did everything a normal car could do with almost no sacrifices in performance? They could have mass produced them and sold them on cheap and what happened? The american government canned the idea and kept it a secret. All of this global warming BS could have probably been stopped by now if that little car made it onto the production line. I dotn remember the cars name, i saw a video of it and i cant remember where but it was amazing.

Still there you go, thats governments for you, especially the US government. "global warming doesnt exist"

Oh wait wait wait...im sorry sherade but i need to tell you that i really dont agree with your comment about cars handling....

The car should never "drive you", you should always be in control of the car and feel safe and confident in it. Most american cars, especially muscle, see a corner and cry, this is common knowledge. America has never been able to make a car go round a corner, there has been very few only recently that could thanks to euro or Japanese help. I wouldn't want to drive a car that drives me i want to be in control and know that if things get a bit hairy i can avoid an accident or blitz round a track without ending up in the barriers.

First off the camaro looks tough i like it alot! The american automotive industry has been in trouble for yrs. I work at lear Corp. which produces the interiors to many vehicles some foreign some American. The plant i work at in Lordstown Oh. makes the seats for the Pontiac Solstice and the headliners for the Chevy Cobalt. The latter of which i'm the very proud owner of. I was raised in a family of proud autoworkers who strongly held on to their beliefs of buy American and support the American worker. Too many Americans over the yrs. have lost their jobs to foreign competitors who have a free pass to import their goods and products into the U.S. while American companies are extremely limited or have ridiculos stipulations to meet. There used to be a Toyota Cavalier made in the Lordstown plant that was to be shipped to japan. There were so many extra things on that car it would have made your head spin just to try and meet with regulations set by the Japanese. Basically it was doomed to fail from the start especially when they put the price tag on it. You could have bought a cadillac here for the price it was in Japan. It was basically priced as a luxury car. I think the American worker makes great products but is not on a level playing field with the rest of the world. Also most foreign workers in different countries have a different way of life and their societies have evolved differntly than ours. I would never hold American workers to have the same work ethic as say the Chinese, Mexicans, or Japanese. Also remember that some of these countries don't have free trade such as America, Canada, England, or Germany. It's not the people that are the problems in all of the countries including the United States it's the goverments trade policies. There's nothing wrong with foreign products as long as everyones on a level playing field and their countryman are treated fairly and can make a life for themselves and their families. This was not a knock on anyone who happens to be from the countries listed above and was not my intention. So who's to blame? Probaly a little of everyone. A select few WAAAAAY more than others!

I drive a minivan.

It only makes that Camaro more beautiful. One day....

Hey you never know, you could be driving a camaro and i could be in a vette! I always wanted a blue vette with the hood painted like tracks! I mean i said that if i won the lottery of course but i always thought that would be cool! A bit dorky but i would love it! Ahhh! To dream! Hey and minivans are'nt that bad.

Minivans are awesome. I've gone right past pickups and cars stuck in the snow--minivans keep on trucking! (well, mine did, at least) Plus it's comfortable to drive and travel in, and mine has a tv for the kiddies.

I was driving a BMW for about a month and while it's fun and fast, it was too tiny for a family car. Actually, my husband has the van and I'm driving my grammy's little Honda til we get another car. Still trying to figure that out. Too bad it can't be the Camaro....

I love my cobalt! It's very affordable, great on gas,and pretty good everywhere else. It's a nice economical car. I'm very proud to own something i helped build. Although it is'nt a camaro or vette. Someday.

Defcon! wrote:I love my cobalt! It's very affordable, great on gas,and pretty good everywhere else. It's a nice economical car. I'm very proud to own something i helped build. Although it is'nt a camaro or vette. Someday.

You know, I'd buy a Cobalt, but being as tall as I am, it isn't the most comfortable car ever. I like 'em though...well, more or less the SS, and if I had to, I'd buy one.
But since I can't afford a new car in general, I'll just go buy that '82 Mustang for 800 bucks, I can manage that.

And come on Sonray, your car could have the most outdated suspension and steering ever and still rock on a track.
It's all in how you drive. Personally, in a race setting, I prefer the Gone in 60 seconds (I mean the original) style slide and floor it type turning.

The sons a bit--es quit making the SS. I liked it too. Mustangs are pretty sweet. I always liked im, they're a mean lookin ride .

you know, I was excited for this camaro to come out...then they go and announce a new ZR1. Now if only they bring back admiral blue and i can scrape together 100k right...

leave it to the vette to get me off my zcar kick.

(insert obligatory comments trying to persuade sherade )

Defcon! wrote:The sons a bit--es quit making the SS. I liked it too. Mustangs are pretty sweet. I always liked im, they're a mean lookin ride .

Gm drops all te goods. The GTO, Bonneville, S10, Monte Carlo, and a few others, like the Bel-Air.

Defcon! wrote:The sons a bit--es quit making the SS. I liked it too. Mustangs are pretty sweet. I always liked im, they're a mean lookin ride .

Cobalt SS will be back as an '08 model. They only dropped it to do away with the supercharged version. It's coming back with the same motor the Solstice GXP, Sky Redline, and Chevy HHR SS has, which is turbocharged rather than supercharged. And it's coming back with 260hp and 260ft lbs of torque. And better mileage over the supercharged motor.

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Defcon! wrote:The sons a bit--es quit making the SS. I liked it too. Mustangs are pretty sweet. I always liked im, they're a mean lookin ride .

Cobalt SS will be back as an '08 model. They only dropped it to do away with the supercharged version. It's coming back with the same motor the Solstice GXP, Sky Redline, and Chevy HHR SS has, which is turbocharged rather than supercharged. And it's coming back with 260hp and 260ft lbs of torque. And better mileage over the supercharged motor.

Hopefully they will make it look half decent as well...man thats an ugly car.

Sonray wrote:

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Defcon! wrote:The sons a bit--es quit making the SS. I liked it too. Mustangs are pretty sweet. I always liked im, they're a mean lookin ride .

Cobalt SS will be back as an '08 model. They only dropped it to do away with the supercharged version. It's coming back with the same motor the Solstice GXP, Sky Redline, and Chevy HHR SS has, which is turbocharged rather than supercharged. And it's coming back with 260hp and 260ft lbs of torque. And better mileage over the supercharged motor.

Hopefully they will make it look half decent as well...man thats an ugly car.

In your humble opinion...

I wouldn't say its humble.

I dunno I just hate the way it looks. My friend has one and he is in love with it....he wants to marry the damned thing but i don't see the appeal. It looks like a very poor imitation of every other small sports care before it. Its lines are all wrong, its rear end is too high and its front end is really dull and non-aggressive.

To me its a very lazy looking car. Plus its a Chevy...eew.

I'd just like to throw this out there. I drive an 07 Chevy Cobalt LS. It's the biggest piece of shit I have ever sat in and has forever weened me off of Chevys.

Hello 08' Mitsubishi Lancer!

TheMuffin wrote:I'd just like to throw this out there. I drive an 07 Chevy Cobalt LS. It's the biggest piece of shit I have ever sat in and has forever weened me off of Chevys.

Hello 08' Mitsubishi Lancer!

Hmm...Mit' Lancer FTW!

TheMuffin wrote:I'd just like to throw this out there. I drive an 07 Chevy Cobalt LS. It's the biggest piece of shit I have ever sat in and has forever weened me off of Chevys.

Hello 08' Mitsubishi Lancer!

Sorry to hear that. I have'nt had any problems with mine and i hope i don't. It kinda upsets me and makes me a little sad to hear someone who bought a coblt had piece of crap one. It's almost a 50/50 kinda thing. People like them and have'nt had problems or people don't and have had all kinds of shit go wrong. Warranties are great but not if shits breaking while your driving and your car spends more time in a shop than on the road. It's a hard sell when people hear stuff like that. I mean all the cobalt is a revamped cavalier that's still affordable (10 to 15grand where i live) and good on gas 30 to 33 miles THG. I'm all for American made cars (even the foreign) and foreign cars from free trade countries. I would like to see everyone buy American or at least think about it. But hey they don't call this the land of the free for nothing!

Erm...most "american" cars arent made in america anymore, or use american parts and materials.

Sonray wrote:Erm...most "american" cars arent made in america anymore, or use american parts and materials.

Many American cars are still made in America and use American parts. Each vehicle has a % list on it of how much is American. And there are foreign car companies that have many plants in the United States. Such as toyota.

Defcon! wrote:

Sonray wrote:Erm...most "american" cars arent made in america anymore, or use american parts and materials.

Many American cars are still made in America and use American parts. Each vehicle has a % list on it of how much is American. And there are foreign car companies that have many plants in the United States. Such as toyota.

This is what pisses me off about the whole American vs. Japanese debate. The Honda Accord is 97% American content (neaning happy American subcontractors) and is built in Ohio. Lincoln, on the other hand is made of about 50% American parts and is built in Mexico.

Oh, and in terms of getting new cars...no more GT-R for me...most dealerships are marking the car up $30K to $50K over the sticker price putting it between 100k to 120k. I guess that's what happends when you make one of the fastest cars ever...and try to make it affordable.

It's screwed up is'nt it. I say regardless of the make or model as long as it keeps American people employed then great! It's amazing how American auto manufacturers have to outsource certain makes and models to try and reduce costs to stay competitive with foreign companies, and don't get the help from their own gov. on fair trade policies. The amount of jobs created by foreign auto companies pales in comparison to the jobs lost by American auto factories closing. It's a shame. But the world keeps on spinning!

Something more to peak your interest in the new Camaro. Fresh pictures without Camo. Thank you Bob Lutz.

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GetterDragun wrote:Oh, and in terms of getting new cars...no more GT-R for me...most dealerships are marking the car up $30K to $50K over the sticker price putting it between 100k to 120k. I guess that's what happends when you make one of the fastest cars ever...and try to make it affordable.

I'm sure if you really want one, you will be able to find it close to msrp. Afterall, there arent THAT many people out there that think they need a 75k stock 11second car. Then you have people that won't buy simply because its a nissan...long story short, i don't think they will be hard to obtain IF you have the money to spend.

Gutter Bunny wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:Oh, and in terms of getting new cars...no more GT-R for me...most dealerships are marking the car up $30K to $50K over the sticker price putting it between 100k to 120k. I guess that's what happends when you make one of the fastest cars ever...and try to make it affordable.

I'm sure if you really want one, you will be able to find it close to msrp. Afterall, there arent THAT many people out there that think they need a 75k stock 11second car. Then you have people that won't buy simply because its a nissan...long story short, i don't think they will be hard to obtain IF you have the money to spend.

I've called locally and no commitments on markup, plus on the Nissan forum, no one has gotten a dealer to commit to less than $100K. That's nuts becaue you are basically throwing away 30 grand to own a car at the time of release. I can understand why it is valuable, but I'm sure in a year or two you can pick up a used one in the 50s.

GetterDragun wrote:I've called locally and no commitments on markup, plus on the Nissan forum, no one has gotten a dealer to commit to less than $100K. That's nuts becaue you are basically throwing away 30 grand to own a car at the time of release. I can understand why it is valuable, but I'm sure in a year or two you can pick up a used one in the 50s.

If you can even afford a car in the 20's I admire you.
I have seen that a ten year wait makes wonders, but I'm sure this car will be long gone by then and put in auto auctions for huge prices... maybe you'll get lucky on one, who knows.

Question, wanted to know what you all think:
An auto dealer near me has a 1970 Mustang listed for $9,995.
Heres the good stuff:
-Street legal racer (drag or track)
-Full rollcage
-Nice restored and modified Boss 302* engine
-Custom Boss 302 Decals* and orange/black striped paint
*this is not factory, as this is a regular '70 mustang, not the factory 302.
-Cherry Bomb exhaust
Bad stuff:
-Needs TLC on the leather seats
-rust on the rollcage (easily removed though)
-Worn down interior and dash

I'm sure the interior isn't a huge problem, but I'd like it fixed up.
So....should I convince my parents to get it, or pass?
(Yes, I'm serious, because you may have seen better for less, and I want to get a varying body of people.)